Pesadilla Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Aye, but why would he leave to go to Forfar? Not really rated/supported by our new board, if rumours are anything to go by. He also lives in Dundee. That makes Forfar an attractive, if somewhat sideways, move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Aye, but why would he leave to go to Forfar? Who would blame him for going before he gets the bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrdavidson95 Posted December 17, 2015 Author Share Posted December 17, 2015 If that's a long winded way of saying we should sign Tito or Pep or Luis Enrique or Pochettino then I don't think it's going to happen, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrdavidson95 Posted December 17, 2015 Author Share Posted December 17, 2015 Interesting attempt at humour Kerr. The Lord loves a trier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Red Book Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Let's be honest, Bollan knows his days are numbered. A run of 3-4 games without a win and I think that'll be that. In saying that he seems to come good with a few loanees at this time of year and comparatively speaking we are in much better position that previous years. Wouldn't be surprised if he is Forfar or even Brechin manager by end of January though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdrie#1 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Aye, but why would he leave to go to Forfar? If Gary goes to Forfar heaven help us, because our next manager is Wolecki and that will never work, he's a fuckin numpty,And Why would someone like Bollan with the experience he has want to stay and answer to someone like Wolecki or King who are both total imposters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mybitchunderprotest Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Mibbee we should just go to see Southampton's and get some insight from Pochettino? http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/06/where-has-it-all-gone-wrong-for-barcelonas-youth-setup/ ONE of the biggest advantages FC Barcelona had throughout its existence, which was especially noticeable during the Pep Guardiola era, was Barcelona’s La Masia. During Pep’s reign, and later in Tito Vilanova’s sadly shortened coaching career, Barcelona would routinely start at least eight players that worked their way through the Barcelona youth ranks. It was something to be proud of, both for fans and members of the club, and it culminated on November 25, 2012 when for 62 minutes Barça played with 11 canteranos. It was a joy to behold, but it also marked the pinnacle from which itLuis Enrique can only go down. Unless something drastically changes. The downfall of La Masia, which has been most noticeable this season in the Barcelona B team, actually began much earlier, in 2010, quickly after Sandro Rosell took over as president from arguably the best president in Barcelona history, Joan Laporta. Rosell wasted no time in naming two of his men, Guillermo Amor and Albert Puig, as the heads of youth football, even though their predecessors did a fabulous job. The youth teams also became much more focused on results and not on player development, which should’ve been the measuring stick for youth team coaches. Most of the Barcelona youth selections are still performing at a high level, which could be a result of an immense talent gap between lower-level Barcelona youth teams to teams from other clubs. But that is not the case with Barça’s Juvenil A, which has fallen drastically from their UEFA Youth League winning performance last season and will finish far from the lead in their Spanish league group, and Barcelona B, which suffered relegation for the first time since 2006-07 and will play in the Segunda Division B for the first time since 2009-10. The Segunda B is no place to develop players as young as 17, 16 in extreme(ly good) cases. With it being a regional competition the travels will be shorter for the players, but the league is known for very physical play and bad pitches in which youngsters trained in the Barcelona arts will struggle to succeed. But Barcelona B has gone through tough stretches before and with some much needed adjustments, the team can once again earn a promotion to the Segunda. The B team also struggled during Laporta’s early years, but he was able to correct the fundamental problems of the academy, and he did so with the help of José Ramón Alexanko, whom he named director of youth football, and Albert Benaiges, who was Alexanko’s second in command. The two worked diligently to improve every aspect of the youth teams, resulting in much better player development, with many more reaching not only the B team, but the first team as well. The turnaround of Barcelona B started with the introduction of Guardiola to the head of the B team in 2007. Obviously, he took charge of a young group of players, many of whom were very talented, but lacked experience and leadership to get through the ups and down of a long season and the harshness of the then Tercera Division. So Pep relied on a select group of “role players”, aged between 21 and 26. These were players who didn’t have much chance of ever reaching the first team, but knew that they would be able to train at arguably the best B team in the world and that they would get “rotational” minutes on the pitch. That would expose them to scouts of bigger clubs while these “role players” would bring some much needed stability and experience to the team. They were talented players that offered relief and guidance to their younger teammates, and, perhaps more importantly, never stood in the way of player development. For Pep they were Emilio Guerra, David Corcoles, Xavi Torres, Abraham Gonzalez, Dimas Delgado, Eneko Fernandez and Victor Espasandin. None of these “role players” stayed on the Barcelona pay-roll for long – two, three seasons at the most – and they were then allowed to join other clubs either in Spain or in Europe. Pep showed that the system of a young core reinforced with experience from “role players” worked, immediately leading the team to a first place finish and a promotion to the Segunda B. It was the only season Pep spent with the B team, but the system survived his departure thanks to Alexanko and Benaiges. Luis Enrique, who was hired to replace Guardiola, inherited that system and with the help of a couple remaining “role players” and the additions of Goran Marić, Hector Verdes, Nolito and Jose Antonio Solano led to Barcelona B further success, missing a promotion play-off spot by a single point. The cycle continued next season and the one after that, some “role-players” left, some stayed another season, new ones arrived, but Barcelona B continued to produce results while never disregarding player development, even achieving a promotion to the Segunda where the team finish in third place in their first season. Neither Pep nor Lucho were blessed with a generation of players that would include the likes of Lionel Messi, Gerard Pique or Cesc Fabregas, but both sent players to the first team. Highlighted by Sergio Busquets and Pedro, whom Guardiola quickly took with him to the Barça first team, there were players like Martin Montoya, Marc Bartra, Jonathan Dos Santos, Sergi Roberto and Rafinha, all of which have made some impact on the first team, some of which still hold potential to become starters in the future. Throughout this four year period the B team played the same football as the first team did, which made the transition from Barça B to the senior team seamless for the youngsters, even if they only had to replace an injured player on short notice without much training with the first team. That all started to change in 2010. The two people behind the spotlight that engineered this turnaround, Alexanko and Benaiges, were shown the door by a president who was flexing his muscles, but with Lucho still in the driver’s seat the ship didn’t stray off course. Quote: ‘The two people behind the spotlight that engineered this turnaround, Alexanko and Benaiges, were shown the door by a president who was flexing his muscles’ However, in 2011, Enrique took the managerial job at AS Roma and was replaced by Eusebio Sacristan. Eusebio continued to use older players to guide his team, but he used the system completely wrong. Instead of using “role players” for their added experience and to give talented youngsters some much needed rest, they suddenly became “key players”. Players like Cristian Lobato, David Lomban, Ilie Sanchez, Carles Planas and Dani Nieto were seemingly always in the starting lineup, staying in the way of the development of the likes of Sergi Samper, Adama Traore, Alejandro Grimaldo, Fabrice Ondoa and Jean Marie Dongou. Another problem with Eusebio in charge was that even though the players went on the pitch in a 4-3-3 formation, they did not play the same style of football the first team did. Players often seemed unsure about their duties on the pitch, understandable considering most spent years being groomed in the Barça style in the lower ranks, only to have that changed by Eusebio. Eusebio also seemed very happy to start playing defensive, prevent football as soon as Barcelona B took the lead, a tactic that often hurt Barça B that like the first team knew only how to defend with the ball in their possession. It was all forgiven though by the top brass, because Eusebio was able to produce results as the team always finished in the top 10 on the Segunda table. It didn’t matter one iota that since Rosell took over in 2010 not one La Masia graduate was able to win a place in the starting lineup for a prolonged stretch of games, with Bartra coming the closest, and even that was severely aided by an injury bug the decimated Barcelona’s defensive ranks. But mid table finishes, with the occasional player promoted to the bench of the first, was enough to satisfy Rosell, Josep Maria Bartomeu, Amor and Puig. In January 2013 FIFA came knocking and informed Barcelona about breaching laws regarding the signings of U-18 players, but the club executives decided to do nothing and hope for the best, not even attempting to reach out to FIFA or form an alliance with other clubs in an attempt to correct what is a majorly flawed law. Over a year later, FIFA hit Barcelona with a two transfer window signing ban and suddenly there was some cause for panic. Amor and Puig were made scapegoats and were quickly fired, even though they weren’t the only two at fault, and were replaced by Jordi Roura and Aureli Altimir – two former players who had no experience in running a football academy, with the former even showing a reluctance to play younger, less experienced players while he was in charge of the first team in Tito’s absence. But with the “culprits” of the ban now fired, Bartomeu, who has since become president, was again content with how the academy was being run, even if it could result in an entire generation of eight to ten year-old football hopefuls lost for the Catalan club. But four years of mismanagement of the academy has also left its toll in the higher ranks. The Juvenil B team is struggling with development and form, and after winning the first edition of the UEFA Youth League the Juvenil A team, which was known to win their Group of the Division de Honor Juvenil de Futbol, the U-18 league, by as much as 22 points, has finished this season in a disappointing fourth place. The scenario has been even worse for Barcelona B. Led by the magnificent 1995 generation that includes Samper, Munir El Haddadi, Sandro Ramirez, Grimaldo, Frank Bagnack, Ondoa and boosted by the likes of Traore, Alen Halilović and Wilfrid Kaptoum, this team had enough talent to challenge the best ever finish by the B team, third place. But with Eusebio trusting minutes to the “old guard” of Patric, Sergio Juste, Joan Roman and Adrian Ortola, none of which was older than 22 when the season began, everything came crashing down. Missing were the “role players” of the Jonathan Soriano mold who could lead the team through thick and thin. Missing were set roles for key players that should’ve been Samper and Adama, both of whom suffered through the injustice of being relegated to bench duties on a “technical decision”, the reason for which was “because they acted like teenagers”. If that is a legitimate reason for benching an actual teenager then Neymar should’ve watched half of this season from the stands. As should Pique. Missing was also the much needed coach-player relationship, which is especially necessary for young footballers, something former player Xavi Quintilla publically criticized Eusebio for, noting that the coach spoke to him only twice in five months. Guardiola has proven to be an excellent communicator with his players and Enrique, for the most part at least, has showed that as well, but both had older players to help him with the youngsters. This season there was nobody to guide the B team. Eusebio was fired in February 2015 and was replaced by Jordi Vinyals, the coach that lead the Juvenil A team to European glory, but this ship was already taking on water, but it wasn’t beyond saving, but Vinyals never gave the team a fighting chance. Forced to get results, Vinyals leaned heavily on the most senior players at his disposal, many of who were out of form and on many occasions played out of position. It was a mockery to the foundations set by Laporta, Alexanko, Benaiges and Pep, and continued by Lucho. The B team was in shambles and with no leadership coming from the bench, even after Vinyals took over, players formed circles on the pitch before every half to talk among themselves, indeed showing some leadership abilities, even if Vinyals said otherwise after the season. But it was too late to save Barcelona B from relegation now. Now, a shorthanded Barcelona B team, none of Halilovic, Adama, and Munir are expected to stay with the B team, full of demoralized and mentally drained players will have to fight aggressive players on bad pitches for at least one season. A stay that could very well extend for much longer because Barcelona B can’t add “role players” for one more transfer window and because the team supposed to supply talent to Barça B, the Juvenil A, is also underperforming. Just compounding the problem is that some of the most promising players of that age group, like Ayoub Abou, are rumored to be on their way out, while Lee Seung-Woo still can’t play in an official game for any Barcelona team. Barcelona B and La Masia are close to reaching rock bottom and something needs to be done sooner rather than later, a process many are hoping will start as soon as the votes after the presidential elections are counted, because later there just might not be anything left to salvage. If anyone read that can they give me a concise summary. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawro Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 If anyone read that can they give me a concise summary. Cheers. It looks like Barca are fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Jim Fenner Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 If Gary goes to Forfar heaven help us, because our next manager is Wolecki and that will never work, he's a fuckin numpty,And Why would someone like Bollan with the experience he has want to stay and answer to someone like Wolecki or King who are both total imposters What's wrong with Wolecki? I genuinely know nothing about him but seems to get you riled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tory Boy Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 What's wrong with Wolecki? I genuinely know nothing about him but seems to get you riled? Was thinking the same? All I've heard is good things about him (other than a couple of posters on P&B). I've heard a few folk who've got kids at Airdrie say they've been really impressed by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFC1878 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Was thinking the same? All I've heard is good things about him (other than a couple of posters on P&B). I've heard a few folk who've got kids at Airdrie say they've been really impressed by him. The coaches enjoy working with him and are learning a lot from him as well. Same goes for Iain King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airdrieman Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 There's a difference between managing and running an academy and managing a first team. Wolecki Black is good at one of them and not so good at the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Jim Fenner Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 There's a difference between managing and running an academy and managing a first team. Wolecki Black is good at one of them and not so good at the other. How do you know that ? Not being awkward...but he's not exactly been high profile enough in the game to merit any kind of damning verdict, unless someone can fill me in on his past that I have missed? Airdrie#1 also refers to him as a pocket dipper. And I assume means EWB and IK when he refers to 'Mike Bassett' and 'Roy of the Rovers'. Pretty obvious this poster is someone at the club - on the managerial side or backroom staff - with an axe to grind. Doesn't do either set of parties any favours to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFC1878 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 There's a difference between managing and running an academy and managing a first team. Wolecki Black is good at one of them and not so good at the other. How do you know he's not a good manager? He took Lochee to the junior cup final and led Glasgow City to 4 league titles and the quarter finals of the Champions League. He's only ever been in coaching roles in the senior game apart from a 6 month stint as manager of Montrose. That's hardly anything to go on. I'm prepared to give him a chance if and when he becomes the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdrie#1 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I'm certainly not part of the managerial team or part of the back room staff ,but what I am is an Airdrie supporter who knows a lot of people that are in the game, and every person I've spoken to has made the same comments about both of them,or ask Charlie Adam,Mark Wilson, Fotheringham to name a few who he claims to have discovered,FFS wake up and smell the coffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Jim Fenner Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 So why the pocket dipper comment? I'm not trying to argue with you here....but it's hard to 'wake up' and smell the coffee when you are only giving out cryptic digs. For an Airdrie supporter, it's strange that you have only joined here the last few weeks and absolutely every one of your post slags King and Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdrie#1 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Because both of them want a shot at being a manager and we're sitting in the best position we've ever been in at christmas for the past few years,with a great chance of the play offs and all they want is the manager out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airdrieman Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 How do you know that ? Not being awkward...but he's not exactly been high profile enough in the game to merit any kind of damning verdict, unless someone can fill me in on his past that I have missed? Airdrie#1 also refers to him as a pocket dipper. And I assume means EWB and IK when he refers to 'Mike Bassett' and 'Roy of the Rovers'. Pretty obvious this poster is someone at the club - on the managerial side or backroom staff - with an axe to grind. Doesn't do either set of parties any favours to be honest. How do you know he's not a good manager? He took Lochee to the junior cup final and led Glasgow City to 4 league titles and the quarter finals of the Champions League. He's only ever been in coaching roles in the senior game apart from a 6 month stint as manager of Montrose. That's hardly anything to go on. I'm prepared to give him a chance if and when he becomes the manager. A pretty poor record at Montrose, sacked by Dundee North End and despite repeated pleas, no senior club had touched him in the best part of ten years until we brought him in. Scottish football is a small place and a merry - go - round. There has to be a reason for that. His record at Glasgow City is on the face of it impressive. However, City are essentially the Celtic of the women's game and it would take a colossal f**k up on their part to not win everything. But what he did do well at City was help implement a structure and philosophy that has seen the women's game develop hugely over the last few years and, created a youth structure that has seen City produce lots of talented players for their first team and at an international level. This is what I hope he can do for us. I like him and the cut of his jib and hope he can revolutionise our youth system. I've got nothing against him personally and have no idea if he is a 'pocket dipper' or a questionable character. But he is not the right man to take charge of the first team. Presumably if he got the manager's job he'd have to step aside from his academy role (which he was brought in for in the first place) and, therefore, we'd have to bring in someone else (and be back to square one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdrie#1 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Well you're squeaking shite because I know for a FACT © that they dont. I actually used to take your posts serious then I read your post about the 20s right winger being a hot prospect,and that confirmed to me your knowledge of football was very limited. Enough Said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlukediamond Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Totally fed up, the club need to make a decision now, I don't care who it is bollan needs to be shown the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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