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Well, what to expect tonight. Sturgeon to be attacked by all 3 as Davidson and her tory colleague Murphy mention the referendum over and over, while Willie Rennie mumbles some pish and sends the audience into a coma.

Hosted by Glen Campbell, i would be willing to vote for whichever party leader tells him to shut up and let them answer a question.

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Well, what to expect tonight. Sturgeon to be attacked by all 3 as Davidson and her tory colleague Murphy mention the referendum over and over, while Willie Rennie mumbles some pish and sends the audience into a coma.

Hosted by Glen Campbell, i would be willing to vote for whichever party leader tells him to shut up and let them answer a question.

Try a little kindness.

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Well, what to expect tonight. Sturgeon to be attacked by all 3 as Davidson and her tory colleague Murphy mention the referendum over and over, while Willie Rennie mumbles some pish and sends the audience into a coma.

Hosted by Glen Campbell, i would be willing to vote for whichever party leader tells him to shut up and let them answer a question.

If they mention another referendum it's because even a blind man can see the SNP have another referendum up their sleeves. The SNP's raison d'etre is independence and it's fanciful to suggest they won't push for it at every opportunity.

Sure, it's Labour and the Tories who are in cahoots.

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If they mention another referendum it's because even a blind man can see the SNP have another referendum up their sleeves. The SNPs raison d'etre is independence and it's fanciful to believe that they won't push for it at every opportunity.

But it's got f**k all to do with the GE

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If they mention another referendum it's because even a blind man can see the SNP have another referendum up their sleeves. The SNPs raison d'etre is independence and it's fanciful to believe that they won't push for it at every opportunity.

Even f pushing for a second referendum would actually damage the chances of Scottish independence?

I reckon a blind man with even a modicum of intelligence would see that this election has nothing to do with another referendum.

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Ffs. The SNP have said they won't hold a referendum unless voted for in a manifesto. They would be mad to unilaterally call a referendum as they would lose.

IF they have it in their manifesto folk can vote for or against it. I don't understand why this terrifies unionists unless they think they will lose both the election and subsequent referendum...

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But it's got f**k all to do with the GE

This is where you're wrong. The SNP will scupper any prospect of a Labour government because a Tory government at westminster will only help the Independence cause. Hundreads of thousands of voters who voted NO last September are being conned into voting SNP because they foolishly believe the SNP will prop up a Labour government.

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This is where you're wrong. The SNP will scupper any prospect of a Labour government because a Tory government at westminster will only help the Independence cause. Hundreads of thousands of voters who voted NO last September are being conned into voting SNP because they foolishly believe the SNP will prop up a Labour government.

And who is preventing this from happening?

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This is where you're wrong. The SNP will scupper any prospect of a Labour government because a Tory government at westminster will only help the Independence cause. Hundreads of thousands of voters who voted NO last September are being conned into voting SNP because they foolishly believe the SNP will prop up a Labour government.

Are you on glue?

If the SNP did anything to usher in the Tories they would be toast. They aren't on the brink of their best ever GE result only to throw away decades of progress in one fell swoop. Even the crazed unionists can't believe they would block a Labour govt in favour of the Tories

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Ffs. The SNP have said they won't hold a referendum unless voted for in a manifesto. They would be mad to unilaterally call a referendum as they would lose.

IF they have it in their manifesto folk can vote for or against it. I don't understand why this terrifies unionists unless they think they will lose both the election and subsequent referendum...

They also need the permission of the British PM to have another ref. Edna is going to have to give them a serious bone to push through his crap so that will likely be it. Probably no ref2 until 2019/20, so he can fob Nippy and co off with a vague promise if they play ball.

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And who is preventing this from happening?

It's the SNP of course. The SNP have made scrapping Trident one of their red lines and it would be electoral suicide for Labour to agree to that. The Murdoch press would crucify them. If there are 260+ labour seats in Westminister and 50-55 SNP seats which party should have most influence? Miliband can't be expected to pursue a policy, as Prime Minister, which he (a) doesn't believe in and (b) thinks would be bad for Britain. As i said in another thread, any SNP agreement would read like ultimatum Austria-Hungary issued to Serbia in 1914 .i.e unconditional surrender.

Do you deny the premise that a Tory Governement at Westminster would tip any future referendum in favour of the Yes camp? If you accept my premise then you must also accept that a Tory government is in the SNP's interest.

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Are you on glue?

If the SNP did anything to usher in the Tories they would be toast. They aren't on the brink of their best ever GE result only to throw away decades of progress in one fell swoop. Even the crazed unionists can't believe they would block a Labour govt in favour of the Tories

They're counting on the fact that voters have short memories. If there is no way the SNP would block a Labour governement then Sturgeon is lying about the SNP having influence. A minority Labour government would put their policies to parliament and it would be up to the SNP to brae yay or nae.

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