ICTChris Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/06/graham-taylor-told-not-pick-too-many-black-players-fa-england A new book has alleged that former England manager Graham Taylor was put under pressure not to pick too many black players for England during this time in charge. An anti-racism campaigners has said that Taylor told him this off the record during an event in 2001. There's no suggestion that Taylor went along with this and no-one currently invovled in the FA was involved at the time. Taylor has denied the claims. I'd be surprised but not shocked if this was true, if that makes any sense. Football had moved on in the early 90s but there was still far more racism in the game than today - I remember John Barnes being booed mercilessly during England games at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ICTChris Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 Ha. To be fair to Taylor I don't think anyone would suggest he went along with this or is in any way prejudiced. This is a man who picked Carlton Palmer for England, showing that not only did he not care about the race of his players but he also didn't discriminate on grounds of ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 This is a man who picked Carlton Palmer for England This is the be all and end all of the argument for me. If there was a quota, would he have ever been involved?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Taylor denies it - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32617179 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 This is actually in the UKIP manifesto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albino Rover Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Paul Ince and Chris Ramsey will be rubbing their hands at this. I fully expect to see this become the new reason why they are shit at management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Taylor denies it - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32617179 Interesting that he says "I have no memory" of it. Not quite the same as an out and out denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akredz Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Interesting that he says "I have no memory" of it. Not quite the same as an out and out denial. Same lawyer as General Oliver North? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akredz Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 This is the be all and end all of the argument for me. If there was a quota, would he have ever been involved?! Surely that's actually the complete opposite scenario. Palmer was atrocious, so therefore a quota would explain why he got picked,....,.. Not that I believe such a thing. Taylor was a cockwomble before there was such a thing and just a terrible manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Interesting that he says "I have no memory" of it. Not quite the same as an out and out denial. Interesting that straight after that he added... "I never had any problem in regards to team selection concerning black players from the FA." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisal Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Some no mark with a book to sell. To publicise it take your pick from:- Racism Hillsboro' Bradford Match fixing. Disrespect dead legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Surely that's actually the complete opposite scenario. Palmer was atrocious, so therefore a quota would explain why he got picked,....,.. Not that I believe such a thing. Taylor was a cockwomble before there was such a thing and just a terrible manager. Did you read the story? It claims Taylor was told not to pick too many black players, not that he had to pick a certain number. So a quota on picking not too many would mean that Taylor would have to pick the decent black players over the likes of Palmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 ..unless he was picking CP to validate a quota on behalf of his FA overseers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Are there any countries whose national team have been known to adopt this sort of policy whether officially or unofficially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Surely that's actually the complete opposite scenario. Palmer was atrocious, so therefore a quota would explain why he got picked,....,.. Not that I believe such a thing. Taylor was a cockwomble before there was such a thing and just a terrible manager. 23 years of football management between 1972 and 1995 with a 45% win percentage is hardly the stuff of terrible managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nightfly Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I think the point the book is making is that Taylor was requested to limit the number of non-white players. He wasn't picking someone like Palmer because he had to. Edit: I see this point has already been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nightfly Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 23 years of football management between 1972 and 1995 with a 45% win percentage is hardly the stuff of terrible managers. Precisely. He did take Watford up through the leagues to second in the old First Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Are there any countries whose national team have been known to adopt this sort of policy whether officially or unofficially? South Africa had a positive quota thingy for the likes of rugby and cricket. I guess it was applied to football too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 South Africa had a positive quota thingy for the likes of rugby and cricket. I guess it was applied to football too? I thought they said around WC 2010 that football was traditionally a 'black' sport in South Africa whereas rugby/cricket were traditionally 'white' sports? Could be remembering that wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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