John Lambies Doos Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Well well well, the only show in town has arrived. 3rd party status, front line bench opposition, LD Offices taken over, pmq questions, chairing and representation of committees..... more money! Scotlands voice has become a hell of a lot stronger!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm not going to lie, I'm a little bit itching to hear the Tories forced to describe Mhairi Black as the "Right honourable member for Paisley & Renfrewshire South" etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm not going to lie, I'm a little bit itching to hear the Tories forced to describe Mhairi Black as the "Right honourable member for Paisley & Renfrewshire South" etc etc On a point of order, she's "only" the Honourable Member. Only if you're a privy counsellor are you a Right Honourable Member. Alex Salmond is the only Rt. Hon. SNP MP, having been appointed to the Privy Council when he was First Minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Our voice is so strong that a majority government can do whatever they like to us ,knowing that they have absolutely nothing to lose by pissing us off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm not going to lie, I'm a little bit itching to hear the Tories forced to describe Mhairi Black as the "Right honourable member for Paisley & Renfrewshire South" etc etcOn a purely pedantic point, is "Right Honourable" not only reserved for members of the Privy Council? "Honourable" used for everyone else.Edit: Damn you, The Master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happysouth Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 They should also be getting loads more tv time on the politics shows (daily politics, question time, Marr et al) which will help as well. The fact they are not in some sort of arrangement with labour in government means they can be on the offensive on these shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 On a purely pedantic point, is "Right Honourable" not only reserved for members of the Privy Council? "Honourable" used for everyone else. Edit: Damn you, The Master! To be uber-pedantic about it, being an MP makes you the "Honourable Member for [constituency]"; it doesn't make you an "Honourable Lady/Gentleman". On the other hand, being a Privy Counsellor makes you a "Right Honourable Lady/Gentleman". And as an extra titbit, if you're a QC, you get "and learned" in there as well ("The Hon. and learned..." or "The Rt. Hon. and learned..."); if you're an ex-army officer, you get "and gallant". So if you're addressing an ex-army officer who is also a QC and Privy Counsellor, and represents Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East, make sure you take a deep breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 To be uber-pedantic about it, being an MP makes you the "Honourable Member for [constituency]"; it doesn't make you an "Honourable Lady/Gentleman". On the other hand, being a Privy Counsellor makes you a "Right Honourable Lady/Gentleman". And as an extra titbit, if you're a QC, you get "and learned" in there as well ("The Hon. and learned..." or "The Rt. Hon. and learned..."); if you're an ex-army officer, you get "and gallant". So if you're addressing an ex-army officer who is also a QC and Privy Counsellor, and represents Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East, make sure you take a deep breath. Just sums up what a load of archaic old shite the UK is. Same with the Houses of 'Commons' and 'Lords', the sooner we're out of the 18th century shitehole that is the UK the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Just sums up what a load of archaic old shite the UK is. Same with the Houses of 'Commons' and 'Lords', the sooner we're out of the 18th century shitehole that is the UK the better. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Go and look up the procedure for "resigning" from the House of Commons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 When does the parliament reconvene btw? IIRC the first item of business is always to re-appoint Bercow as the speaker, and if a simple motion to re-appoint him is not passed then it will go to secret ballot. Alex Salmond for speaker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Any word on if any of the 56 are planning to protest the swearing of the oath to Mrs Windsor? Hopefully there will be at least a clenched fist or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 That's just the tip of the iceberg. Go and look up the procedure for "resigning" from the House of Commons. Without looking at Wikipedia, am I right in saying that it's technically impossible to resign? From what I remember, an MP who expresses a wish to stand down gets appointed to some committee by the Chancellor, and being on this committee makes the person ineligible to be an MP, triggering a by-election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 When does the parliament reconvene btw? IIRC the first item of business is always to re-appoint Bercow as the speaker, and if a simple motion to re-appoint him is not passed then it will go to secret ballot. Alex Salmond for speaker? A week today. David Cameron has confirmed that he won't oppose Bercow's re-election, but don't be surprised if they try to bring back the bit of chicanery that William Hague tried on the final day of the last parliament (making the Speaker re-election a secrete ballot). Of course, if they did try to oppose Bercow it would cause a bit of a stir in Buckingham where his constituents returned him as "Speaker". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabinoban Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Just sums up what a load of archaic old shite the UK is. Same with the Houses of 'Commons' and 'Lords', the sooner we're out of the 18th century shitehole that is the UK the better. Exactly. Black Rod ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Without looking at Wikipedia, am I right in saying that it's technically impossible to resign? From what I remember, an MP who expresses a wish to stand down gets appointed to some committee by the Chancellor, and being on this committee makes the person ineligible to be an MP, triggering a by-election? More or less. You apply for, and are appointed to be, either the Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead, or the Crown Steward and Bailiff of the three Chiltern Hundreds of Stoke, Desborough and Burnham. Both are classed as offices of profit under the Crown, which excludes the holders from sitting in parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Exactly. Black Rod ffs Totally, its just an embarrassing load of shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 To be uber-pedantic about it, being an MP makes you the "Honourable Member for [constituency]"; it doesn't make you an "Honourable Lady/Gentleman". On the other hand, being a Privy Counsellor makes you a "Right Honourable Lady/Gentleman". And as an extra titbit, if you're a QC, you get "and learned" in there as well ("The Hon. and learned..." or "The Rt. Hon. and learned..."); if you're an ex-army officer, you get "and gallant". So if you're addressing an ex-army officer who is also a QC and Privy Counsellor, and represents Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East, make sure you take a deep breath. Out of interest, I often hear the Speaker address a member by their constituency. Do they need to know all 650 MPs constituencies?! Or do the clerks in front of him help with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. If the new SMs make there points solely about Scotland this will stoke up nationalist feelings both sides of the border. If she, NS, is true to her word and and approaches things from a 'right for the entire UK' she could easily gain favour from many across the UK and isolate the Tory stance. It might have little consequence in the short term outside of demos but long term...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 A week today. David Cameron has confirmed that he won't oppose Bercow's re-election, but don't be surprised if they try to bring back the bit of chicanery that William Hague tried on the final day of the last parliament (making the Speaker re-election a secrete ballot). Of course, if they did try to oppose Bercow it would cause a bit of a stir in Buckingham where his constituents returned him as "Speaker". Is that likely? A large number of Tory backbenchers rebelled on that vote, which is why they lost. Bercow is seen as the champion of the backbencher. With such a slim majority, surely Cameron won't risk alienating them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullane No 4 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 They should also be getting loads more tv time on the politics shows (daily politics, question time, Marr et al) which will help as well. The fact they are not in some sort of arrangement with labour in government means they can be on the offensive on these shows. It's London........they will be ignored by all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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