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One of the most bizarre things I remember about the referendum was a poll shortly after the result asking people when the next one should be. One of the options was 'Never' and about 20% of 65+ age group had chosen that.I found it incredible amongst these bitter Unionist that they thought people should not have the right to vote on Indepence again, even years or decades after they themselves were dead. The whole democratic deficit of that view probably never even occurred to them.

Why would they want anything to change? The babyboomers have had the welfare state. Then the 50s economic boom and full employment. Women's lib in the sixties and the start of consumer credit. Opportunity for cheap housing and/or right to buy. Final salary pensions and shares in public sell offs.

Lifes been fucking great for them. I'd vote no if that's what the union gave me!

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Why would they want anything to change? The babyboomers have had the welfare state. Then the 50s economic boom and full employment. Women's lib in the sixties and the start of consumer credit. Opportunity for cheap housing and/or right to buy. Final salary pensions and shares in public sell offs.

Lifes been fucking great for them. I'd vote no if that's what the union gave me!

My point wasn't about them voting NO (though you think would consider their kids and grand kids and not just themselves) it was the arrogance of thinking you could deny future generations their say.

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Who's Bobby Linn?

Why does putting Broony doon bother you so much young Lichtie?

Is it coz he's a Sellik man like yourself, or is he a regular at your Arbroath Klan meetings? :P

For what it's worth I went to Universal Studios yesterday and the Harry Potter bit is fucking impressive! Went on the Hogwarts Express and everything! They must've spent millions on it. Brilliant. Here's some pics for you:

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Still won't watch any of those stupid films though, and would happily kick Daniel Radcliffe in the mouth.

8mile! 8mile! The films are quality family viewing. Much better than flinging shite at folk.
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My point wasn't about them voting NO (though you think would consider their kids and grand kids and not just themselves) it was the arrogance of thinking you could deny future generations their say.

Exactly Granny. I did get your drift. By the way the post you replied to about why baby boomers voted no was ripped off verbatim from my yes voting baby boomer mother. But for a chunk of that demographic just to right off the future for ever because, as they see it, things have been/are/will always be great for them is wrong. They've lived through the best of labour and from a greedy b*****d perspective, the best of the conservatives. They've had advantages that their grandkids will never have.

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Here's what these apes have replaced:

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/1320498-former-mp-brian-donohoe-i-can-now-tell-people-to-fk-off/

Not sure what your point is SSI, Like for Like !??

What were we thinking.

Ultimately down to preference but there's nothing to suggest its a like for like swap for me. We're talking about someone with a 1% rebellion rate, who openly admits to resenting his constituents. A Labour lifer drone if there ever was one, who I'm pretty sure you could actually train a real chimp to replace in parliament.

50 new MP's from all kinds of backgrounds and six people returning with ridiculous levels of local support. I'm not someone to give unquestioned lifelong support to anyone in politics but let's give them a shot and see what happens :thumsup2

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A few days after the election I started feeling a distinct downturn in my spirits. We're going to get a brasser here, I thought.

At least five of these newly elected representatives will turn out to be utter riddy-causing zoomers after a week or two, and their failings will be massively amplified by the press, and it will deliver a dunt to the party as a whole, and it's support, and the cause it espouses, which I believe in.

Then I started thinking...

Up till recently, my MP was Eric Joyce. Will any of the new intake be more embarassing than him? It seems unlikely.

John McNally is just a normal guy, a barber from Denny, and perhaps he's not a man of great learning or political experience - but at least he's not an egomaniacal thug or an unrepentant alkie and thief from the public purse (or a mad shagger) like Major Joyce was.

Then I started thinking about it a bit more widely... Mhairi Black... will she speak out of turn and make us all cringe internally?

Probably, at some point. But at least we can be sure she's not owned and operated from afar, to act wholly in the interests of some American defence firm, or booze lobbyists. It's odds-on that she has never been a member of the Henry Jackson Society.

This goes for the whole of the new intake. Not one of them will be directly linked to BAE Systems, Goldman Sachs, the Mittals, the Hindujas, the Barclay Bros, Armor Group, or Nat Rothschild in their former and current business dealings. Not one of them will be secretly employed by the intelligence services of a foreign state to work in the dark against their own countries' wellbeing (as, for example, John Stonehouse, Bernard Floud, Will Owen, Tom Driberg, etc. were, not to mention non-Parliamentarians like Geoffrey Prime).

Not one of them will have a financial interest in the privatization and outsourcing of NHS services (unlike Liam Fox and many others).

Not one of them will have a financial and ideological interest in the privatization of education (unlike Michael Gove, among others).

Not one of them will be looking, first and foremost, at their own portfolio of investments when considering public policy - and thinking about how fracking could expand and augment their household income stream.

When it comes to issues like social housing, inheritance tax, and land reform, none of these folk will be thinking of their estates first.

My spirits have lifted. These "newbs and rubes" will be sitting in on HoC committees soon, with no real ulterior motives (other than independence) or personal areas of self-interest in their minds.

No wonder some folk down there are afraid of what's to come.

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A few days after the election I started feeling a distinct downturn in my spirits. We're going to get a brasser here, I thought.

At least five of these newly elected representatives will turn out to be utter riddy-causing zoomers after a week or two, and their failings will be massively amplified by the press, and it will deliver a dunt to the party as a whole, and it's support, and the cause it espouses, which I believe in.

Then I started thinking...

Up till recently, my MP was Eric Joyce. Will any of the new intake be more embarassing than him? It seems unlikely.

John McNally is just a normal guy, a barber from Denny, and perhaps he's not a man of great learning or political experience - but at least he's not an egomaniacal thug or an unrepentant alkie and thief from the public purse (or a mad shagger) like Major Joyce was.

Then I started thinking about it a bit more widely... Mhairi Black... will she speak out of turn and make us all cringe internally?

Probably, at some point. But at least we can be sure she's not owned and operated from afar, to act wholly in the interests of some American defence firm, or booze lobbyists. It's odds-on that she has never been a member of the Henry Jackson Society.

This goes for the whole of the new intake. Not one of them will be directly linked to BAE Systems, Goldman Sachs, the Mittals, the Hindujas, the Barclay Bros, Armor Group, or Nat Rothschild in their former and current business dealings. Not one of them will be secretly employed by the intelligence services of a foreign state to work in the dark against their own countries' wellbeing (as, for example, John Stonehouse, Bernard Floud, Will Owen, Tom Driberg, etc. were, not to mention non-Parliamentarians like Geoffrey Prime).

Not one of them will have a financial interest in the privatization and outsourcing of NHS services (unlike Liam Fox and many others).

Not one of them will have a financial and ideological interest in the privatization of education (unlike Michael Gove, among others).

Not one of them will be looking, first and foremost, at their own portfolio of investments when considering public policy - and thinking about how fracking could expand and augment their household income stream.

When it comes to issues like social housing, inheritance tax, and land reform, none of these folk will be thinking of their estates first.

My spirits have lifted. These "newbs and rubes" will be sitting in on HoC committees soon, with no real ulterior motives (other than independence) or personal areas of self-interest in their minds.

No wonder some folk down there are afraid of what's to come.

Cool Story Bro! when's Chapter 2? I cant wait !

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A few days after the election I started feeling a distinct downturn in my spirits. We're going to get a brasser here, I thought.

At least five of these newly elected representatives will turn out to be utter riddy-causing zoomers after a week or two, and their failings will be massively amplified by the press, and it will deliver a dunt to the party as a whole, and it's support, and the cause it espouses, which I believe in.

Then I started thinking...

Up till recently, my MP was Eric Joyce. Will any of the new intake be more embarassing than him? It seems unlikely.

John McNally is just a normal guy, a barber from Denny, and perhaps he's not a man of great learning or political experience - but at least he's not an egomaniacal thug or an unrepentant alkie and thief from the public purse (or a mad shagger) like Major Joyce was.

Then I started thinking about it a bit more widely... Mhairi Black... will she speak out of turn and make us all cringe internally?

Probably, at some point. But at least we can be sure she's not owned and operated from afar, to act wholly in the interests of some American defence firm, or booze lobbyists. It's odds-on that she has never been a member of the Henry Jackson Society.

This goes for the whole of the new intake. Not one of them will be directly linked to BAE Systems, Goldman Sachs, the Mittals, the Hindujas, the Barclay Bros, Armor Group, or Nat Rothschild in their former and current business dealings. Not one of them will be secretly employed by the intelligence services of a foreign state to work in the dark against their own countries' wellbeing (as, for example, John Stonehouse, Bernard Floud, Will Owen, Tom Driberg, etc. were, not to mention non-Parliamentarians like Geoffrey Prime).

Not one of them will have a financial interest in the privatization and outsourcing of NHS services (unlike Liam Fox and many others).

Not one of them will have a financial and ideological interest in the privatization of education (unlike Michael Gove, among others).

Not one of them will be looking, first and foremost, at their own portfolio of investments when considering public policy - and thinking about how fracking could expand and augment their household income stream.

When it comes to issues like social housing, inheritance tax, and land reform, none of these folk will be thinking of their estates first.

My spirits have lifted. These "newbs and rubes" will be sitting in on HoC committees soon, with no real ulterior motives (other than independence) or personal areas of self-interest in their minds.

No wonder some folk down there are afraid of what's to come.

Donohoe getting a fair slating here. Superb

The lady that has replaced him will be so far removed from him it is unreal.

Clever, articulate, principled, not frightened to speak her mind and has worked damn hard to reach the top of her chosen profession. And because she is female it is so much more difficult to make it to consultant. Not sexist, just a fact in the health system. Because of having to work so hard to get to where she was she will be one of the best in her field

She will have taken a substantial pay cut to go to Westminster and is utterly passionate about what is happening in the NHS right now. She is there as she sees it as being the only way she can make a difference in defending it.

Compare her with Donohoe and his like and ask yourself who is more likely to stand up for you. I would expect the last place to ever see her is an Arms Dealer dinner.

I know who I would rather have as my MP regardless of party.

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When I consider how badly the people of Scotland have been represented at Westminster by individuals and by the collective group it angers me that it has taken so long to effect change.

I know it's been the subject of discussion on various other threads, but Scottish Labour will take a very long time to regain the trust of the electorate.

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It will come in due course, inevitably, like independence.

Independence if it happens will not only break the Union it will break Scotland too, it won't be harmonious within, something that's rarely considered.
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Independence if it happens will not only break the Union it will break Scotland too, it won't be harmonious within, something that's rarely considered.

lol

Yeah, those other developed, independent nations of the world are just tearing themselves apart from within.

Once the Britnats pop their clogs, the future generations would simply embrace Scotland. Unlucky.

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