doulikefish Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 After his 500 head dinner for labour types Anas Sarwar is making noises,fully expect him to do the dirty on Kez after May.Ive mentioned it before but Dan Hodges is the chosen blairite down south Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Dan Hodges is a journalist who quit the Labour (again) after Corbyn won. Little point in knifing Dugdale unless Labour finish behind the Conservatives, which I really can't see happening at all. They'd have been as well keeping Murphy and punting him after the Holyrood collapse - everyone knows it's coming and changing the leader won't stop it. It's like changing the captain of the Titanic when it became apparent the ship would sink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Dan Hodges is a journalist who quit the Labour (again) after Corbyn won. Little point in knifing Dugdale unless Labour finish behind the Conservatives, which I really can't see happening at all. They'd have been as well keeping Murphy and punting him after the Holyrood collapse - everyone knows it's coming and changing the leader won't stop it. It's like changing the captain of the Titanic when it became apparent the ship would sink. Agree with this but sarwar won't be able to help himself. The long game is secondary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Dan Hodges for Labour leader. Certainly an interesting idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Apoligies i meant Dan Jarvis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Seemingly contrary to mainstream opinion, I think Dan Jarvis would struggle as Labour leader. I'm not expecting him to immediately present a blueprint for victory in 2020 or beyond, but I haven't heard anything distinctive from him; I think many people promoting his potential candidacy are doing so due to his backstory, rather than anything more substantial. It is important and positive that he isn't a 'career politician', but he will need much more than that to be elected Prime Minister - or even as leader of the Labour Party. I wouldn't say he's objectively a stronger candidate than the three who stood against Corbyn last year. He might even be weaker than one or two of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Seemingly contrary to mainstream opinion, I think Dan Jarvis would struggle as Labour leader. I'm not expecting him to immediately present a blueprint for victory in 2020 or beyond, but I haven't heard anything distinctive from him; I think many people promoting his potential candidacy are doing so due to his backstory, rather than anything more substantial. It is important and positive that he isn't a 'career politician', but he will need much more than that to be elected Prime Minister - or even as leader of the Labour Party. I wouldn't say he's objectively a stronger candidate than the three who stood against Corbyn last year. He might even be weaker than one or two of them. It'll not matter a jot. Labour are completely fucked as an organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 It'll not matter a jot. Labour are completely fucked as an organisation. I fear you might be correct, alas. Ed Miliband should apologise for killing the Labour Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I fear you might be correct, alas. Ed Miliband should apologise for killing the Labour Party. You meany Tony Blair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 You meany Tony Blair. No, I mean Ed Miliband. I wouldn't describe myself as a particularly ardent Blairite, but Blair won a clear majority in every general election that he contested. He did make mistakes, but he led Labour's transformation from perennial losers to a natural party of government. Miliband then proceeded to completely trash Labour's record in government, pursue a policy agenda that completely and utterly failed to resonate with the electorate and, eventually, dragged Labour to a horrendous, appalling defeat last year. Miliband was an unmitigated disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 No, I mean Ed Miliband. I wouldn't describe myself as a particularly ardent Blairite, but Blair won a clear majority in every general election that he contested. He did make mistakes, but he led Labour's transformation from perennial losers to a natural party of government. Miliband then proceeded to completely trash Labour's record in government, pursue a policy agenda that completely and utterly failed to resonate with the electorate and, eventually, dragged Labour to a horrendous, appalling defeat last year. Miliband was an unmitigated disaster. You forgot "hilarious". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 You forgot "hilarious". Yep. Tory government. Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Yep. Tory government. Hilarious. Your pisspot party only have themselves to blame for that. Diddums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Your pisspot party only have themselves to blame for that. Diddums. I agree. We voted in the wrong Miliband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I agree. We voted in the wrong Miliband. Aye. That was definitely the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Yep. Tory government. Hilarious. As we all knew would happen (and will keep happening). Some of us didn't want those inflicted by us on England. Some of us did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 No, I mean Ed Miliband. I wouldn't describe myself as a particularly ardent Blairite, but Blair won a clear majority in every general election that he contested. He did make mistakes, but he led Labour's transformation from perennial losers to a natural party of government. Miliband then proceeded to completely trash Labour's record in government, pursue a policy agenda that completely and utterly failed to resonate with the electorate and, eventually, dragged Labour to a horrendous, appalling defeat last year. Miliband was an unmitigated disaster. Labour deserves everything it gets because of people like you. Success is not winning elections; success is what you do in government having won an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Yep. Tory government. Hilarious. As you get more often than not in the UK, the people of England voted Tory as they usually do, you wanted them to continue to choose our government. So suck it up, this is what you wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 No, I mean Ed Miliband. I wouldn't describe myself as a particularly ardent Blairite, but Blair won a clear majority in every general election that he contested. He did make mistakes, but he led Labour's transformation from perennial losers to a natural party of government. Miliband then proceeded to completely trash Labour's record in government, pursue a policy agenda that completely and utterly failed to resonate with the electorate and, eventually, dragged Labour to a horrendous, appalling defeat last year. Miliband was an unmitigated disaster. Blair killed the Labour party, its dead now, thats his legacy. Losing one election didn't do it, losing three million voters under Blair and abandoning the principles that made them Labour in the first place is what killed Labour. And I for one am delighted, never has a party deserved to die as much as Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Labour deserves everything it gets because of people like you. Success is not winning elections; success is what you do in government having won an election. You can't achieve the latter success without first doing the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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