Jim McLean's Ghost Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 That stat is a fucking disgrace. Don't worry the Tories are going to totally eliminate poverty* *by no longer recognising the statistics that define poverty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I see Gideon was on the TV yesterday, once again bleating to us about how he wanted to make welfare fair for "working people". I think this Tory approach is a fucking disgrace. There are millions of people who aren't in work through no fault of their own, either down to there being no jobs or having mental or physical disabilities. Life is hard enough for some of these people with even getting out of their bed in the morning being a struggle. What are they supposed to think when the Government of the day essentially tells them they're not important? Despicable Tory b*****ds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Wonder how many pennies he'll knock off a gram of coke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Working tax credits are the last thing any government should be decreasing. Should be making it much more attractive to have even a low paying job. Increasing the threshold at which people start paying tax even higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Working tax credits are the last thing any government should be decreasing. Should be making it much more attractive to have even a low paying job. Increasing the threshold at which people start paying tax even higher. Agree with this. I'd also increase the minimum wage. Through doing both, you could decrease the amount of people in work being paid tax credits, or at least the amount claimed. I agree that there are too many in work claiming tax credits, but disincentivising work by decreasing them without something to balance it (wage rise and increase in personal allowance) is daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Agree with this. I'd also increase the minimum wage. Through doing both, you could decrease the amount of people in work being paid tax credits, or at least the amount claimed. I agree that there are too many in work claiming tax credits, but disincentivising work by decreasing them without something to balance it (wage rise and increase in personal allowance) is daft. Agreed. I'd also be in favour of raising the minimum wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Agreed. I'd also be in favour of raising the minimum wage. It should be bumped up to the living wage. In work benefits are effectively the taxpayer subsidizing the private sector's bottom line. However, in line with his free market ethos, Osborne will no doubt expect the minimum wage to rise by itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Working tax credits are the last thing any government should be decreasing. Should be making it much more attractive to have even a low paying job. Increasing the threshold at which people start paying tax even higher. What is the tax threshold these days? I recall the Lib Dems previously wanted to implement something that would see the first £1000 a month you earn being tax free. I worked in a few jobs that were paying minimum wage when I was younger, and that sort of thing would have made a massive difference at the time. It would definitely be the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WullieBroonIsGod Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 What is the tax threshold these days? I recall the Lib Dems previously wanted to implement something that would see the first £1000 a month you earn being tax free. I worked in a few jobs that were paying minimum wage when I was younger, and that sort of thing would have made a massive difference at the time. It would definitely be the way to go. £10600 I think. It was phased in over the course of the last parliament. Was one of the things that really pissed me off in the election campaign with the Tory campaign taking credit for delivering it, despite it being a Lib Dem policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 The Tories pledged in April to raise it to £12500 in the first budget of this parliament. Whether that first budget is this emergency one on Tuesday, or not is anyone's guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 It should be bumped up to the living wage. In work benefits are effectively the taxpayer subsidizing the private sector's bottom line. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I see Gideon was on the TV yesterday, once again bleating to us about how he wanted to make welfare fair for "working people". I think this Tory approach is a fucking disgrace. There are millions of people who aren't in work through no fault of their own, either down to there being no jobs or having mental or physical disabilities. Life is hard enough for some of these people with even getting out of their bed in the morning being a struggle. What are they supposed to think when the Government of the day essentially tells them they're not important? Despicable Tory b*****ds. According to the ONS there were 718,000 job vacancies for November 2014 to January 2015 across the UK, During the period October to December 2014, there were 1.86 million people out of work. How can that be? are they all minimum wage or zero hours contracts job offers? Aye, there's plenty that can't work but there's also still plenty that just don't want to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Aye, there's plenty that can't work but there's also still plenty that just don't want to! While that's a fair point, does that mean that those that genuinely can't should be suffering for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 According to the ONS there were 718,000 job vacancies for November 2014 to January 2015 across the UK, During the period October to December 2014, there were 1.86 million people out of work. How can that be? are they all minimum wage or zero hours contracts job offers? Aye, there's plenty that can't work but there's also still plenty that just don't want to! There are around 11.9 million disabled people in the UK. Whilst a lot of them won't have disabilities which stop them from working, some will and will never work again. How do you think they feel hearing Gideon say his Government is going to make a welfare system for working people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 While that's a fair point, does that mean that those that genuinely can't should be suffering for it? No it means that those who genuinely can and are able to work, will contribute to helping those that can't just like the rest of the working population.Collectively we could actually do more for those in real need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 While that's a fair point, does that mean that those that genuinely can't should be suffering for it? No it means that those who genuinely can and are able to work, will contribute to helping those that can't just like the rest of the working population.Collectively we could actually do more for those in real need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 According to the ONS there were 718,000 job vacancies for November 2014 to January 2015 across the UK, During the period October to December 2014, there were 1.86 million people out of work. How can that be? are they all minimum wage or zero hours contracts job offers? Aye, there's plenty that can't work but there's also still plenty that just don't want to! Placement of vacancy and where the unemployed live. The skill set required for the job and that of the unemployed. Are two reasons amongst the usual "people are lazy bamms" scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Placement of vacancy and where the unemployed live. The skill set required for the job and that of the unemployed. Are two reasons amongst the usual "people are lazy bamms" scenario. Britain and Poland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I was speaking to a friend of my young lad and asked him how his job-hunting was getting on. He said that he'd had not bothered with some because they were too far. "Too far" turned out to be the other side of Dundee - he couldn't be bothered getting 2 buses to get to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I was speaking to a friend of my young lad and asked him how his job-hunting was getting on. He said that he'd had not bothered with some because they were too far. "Too far" turned out to be the other side of Dundee - he couldn't be bothered getting 2 buses to get to work. My niece said the same thing. Been looking for a job in Falkirk (by looking I mean never applying for anything, and waiting for them to knock on her front door and offer her one). I said there were loads of shops in Stirling looking for people, but she said Stirling is much too far away - she'd need to get the train to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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