AUFC90 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Bishop Briggs said: The ECJ can levy harsh fines - http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-05-482_en.htm For France - http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-06-1756_en.htm http://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/biores/news/european-court-fines-france-over-fishing OOO, harsh fines , what do they do when the all the member states are round the table and quietly tell them to fuck off ? My guess is they fuck off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 WTF are you on about? There was a White Paper for IndyRef1, devalued with false promises and unrealistic timescales. There will be another for Indyref2, hopefully more realistic with a credible currency plan. Clearly the current brexit one which is doing the circulation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, AUFC90 said: OOO, harsh fines , what do they do when the all the member states are round the table and quietly tell them to fuck off ? My guess is they fuck off. The Court imposes additional penalties and add interest. There are no other Member States round the table. All the decisions are taken by the judges alone. ETA - btw, Poland is not due any fines in relation to joining the Eurozone as you suggested in your earlier post. It has not met the convergence criteria. Your sarcastic posts only demonstrate your utter ignorance rather than any, even the lowest form, of wit. They only confirm your idiocy. Edited February 8, 2017 by Bishop Briggs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 12 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Clearly the current brexit one which is doing the circulation Really? 31 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Of course, Scotland doesn't have the intelligence to produce a white paper.. too wee and stupid. But of course the mighty GB does and it's gospel. Wee man syndrome To whom are you referring in your first and second sentences? I assume that that third refers to yourself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 33 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: The Court imposes additional penalties and add interest. There are no other Member States round the table. All the decisions are taken by the judges alone. ETA - btw, Poland is not due any fines in relation to joining the Eurozone as you suggested in your earlier post. It has not met the convergence criteria. Your sarcastic posts only demonstrate your utter ignorance rather than any, even the lowest form, of wit. They only confirm your idiocy. Mate, if all 28 member states agree to something, regardless of whether it's against the rules or not, it will happen. That's the fucking reality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Bishop Briggs said: No so. The currency issue alone could be a major barrier to EU entry. Then there are other non-devolved areas where major legislation would be required to comply with the acquisition. And all this would need to happen whilst Brexit is being negotiated! Scotland already complies with EU law. We're still a member. Are you suggesting that all non-devolved UK legislation will cease to apply in Scotland on Independence day if we become independent before Brexit? Do you understand the principles behind the UK Government's proposed Great Repeal Bill? The UK Government consider it possible for Westminster to transpose the entirety of current EU law into 'Britiish' Law in one short Act and then amend any part of it at their leisure in the future. In contrast, you appear to believe that an independent Holyrood government would have to re-write every Act & Regulation on Independence Day? Please provide more detail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 10 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Scotland already complies with EU law. We're still a member. Are you suggesting that all non-devolved UK legislation will cease to apply in Scotland on Independence day if we become independent before Brexit? Do you understand the principles behind the UK Government's proposed Great Repeal Bill? The UK Government consider it possible for Westminster to transpose the entirety of current EU law into 'Britiish' Law in one short Act and then amend any part of it at their leisure in the future. In contrast, you appear to believe that an independent Holyrood government would have to re-write every Act & Regulation on Independence Day? Please provide more detail. Scotland is only a Member whilst it is part of the UK. The EU Treaties are clear, if Scotland leaves the UK, it leaves the EU too. An independent Scotland will have to a huge amount legislation in relation to matters that are not currently devolved, i.e. reserved to Westminster, to comply with the 35 chapters of the acquis. That's why an independent Scotland should opt for EFTA/EEA/Single Market membership rather than full EU membership. Even if to comply with Single Market rules, iScotland would have to use UK Government regulatory bodies, e.g. through service agreements. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: The EU Treaties are clear I think the only thing I've learned during this Brexit debacle is that that statement is never true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 38 minutes ago, AUFC90 said: Mate, if all 28 member states agree to something, regardless of whether it's against the rules or not, it will happen. That's the fucking reality. Nonsense. The reality is that the Court of Justice enforces the Treaties. Law is law and it can be disregarded for political convenience. The other Member States would have to agree to amend the Treaties. They wanted to get rid of the UK's budget rebate but couldn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr Heliums said: I think the only thing I've learned during this Brexit debacle is that that statement is never true. So which parts of the consolidate Treaties are not being implemented, or are unclear, under Brexit? Please give references, e.g. specific Articles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: 1) Scotland is only a Member whilst it is part of the UK. 2) The EU Treaties are clear, if Scotland leaves the UK, it leaves the EU too. 3) An independent Scotland will have to a huge amount legislation in relation to matters that are not currently devolved, i.e. reserved to Westminster, to comply with the 35 chapters of the acquis. 4) That's why an independent Scotland should opt for EFTA/EEA/Single Market membership rather than full EU membership. 5) Even if to comply with Single Market rules, iScotland would have to use UK Government regulatory bodies, e.g. through service agreements. 1) I've already said that we are a current member and comply with current EU law. I didn't ask you to repeat that point. 2) I didn't ask you about this either. Let's agree to disagree on the effect of independence on our EU membership 3) This is your reply to the actual question I asked? I think you've missed out some words (or even complete paragraphs) as what you've written doesn't make sense! Please address the point I made regarding the UK Great Repeal Bill and why a similar arrangement would not apply to iScotland. 4) As you didn't make a coherent reply to point 3 above, I fail to follow your reasoning. 5) Can you provide examples of UK regulatory bodies which would 'have' to be used by an iScotland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: 1) I've already said that we are a current member and comply with current EU law. I didn't ask you to repeat that point. 2) I didn't ask you about this either. Let's agree to disagree on the effect of independence on our EU membership 3) This is your reply to the actual question I asked? I think you've missed out some words (or even complete paragraphs) as what you've written doesn't make sense! Please address the point I made regarding the UK Great Repeal Bill and why a similar arrangement would not apply to iScotland. 4) As you didn't make a coherent reply to point 3 above, I fail to follow your reasoning. 5) Can you provide examples of UK regulatory bodies which would 'have' to be used by an iScotland? on 3) Scotland would be enacting, not repealing, legislation. It's the difference between leaving and joining. The UK is currently compliant with all the chapters of the acquis, Scotland (as a devolved Government) is not. As for 5), there are lots of such bodies and I'm too busy atm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Never a positive for Scotland in any post by the bishop. Is it being so cheery that keeps you going? Lighten up man.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: on 3) Scotland would be enacting, not repealing, legislation. It's the difference between leaving and joining. The UK is currently compliant with all the chapters of the acquis, Scotland (as a devolved Government) is not. As for 5), there are lots of such bodies and I'm too busy atm. On 3 - Please explain why Scotland will have to enact lots of new legislation when it leaves the UK yet the UK only needs one Great Reform Act to retain the entirety of EU law in 'British Law' when it leaves the EU Both cases involve leaving, not joining. On 5 - surely you have a couple of examples you can give off the top of your head? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I believe that is a Telt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Labour will get fuck all abstaining on every thing that comes up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Labour will get fuck all abstaining on every thing that comes up. They'll get their jotters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 17 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said: Nonsense. The reality is that the Court of Justice enforces the Treaties. Law is law and it can be disregarded for political convenience. The other Member States would have to agree to amend the Treaties. They wanted to get rid of the UK's budget rebate but couldn't. This what i'm clearly saying, member states agree to something, treaties are changed and there's fuck all judges or commission presidents can do about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 The youth - until age 44 - has it nailed. Not a matter of if Indy happens... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 Keep 20th September 2018 free. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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