mizfit Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Would May allow it to happen? That's the main point for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Would May allow it to happen? That's the main point for me. She wont 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 She wont Perfect scenario then, the SNP declare that they will be holding a referendum on Scottish independence in 2 years only for May to reject it. Shooting herself in the foot during the process. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Cue wailing and gnashing of teeth of the Yoons. "But teh Spanish!" they cry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: She wont I wouldn't be so sure about that. If it gets called that early, she must realise a No vote, which wouldn't exactly be unlikely, would pretty much seal our fate for a very long time. And she also must realise that an attempt to stop it would pretty much be the final nail in the union's coffin. Neither result would be a shock if it was held next year. And I think for May, that'd have to be a risk worth taking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Still don't think it can happen before Brexit terms are finalised, but if it does, Sept 2018 is fine for a repeat No. It won't be apathy but uncertainty that holds sway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 31 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Cue wailing and gnashing of teeth of the Yoons. "But teh Spanish!" they cry. Might backfire but can understand why the SNP are playing the EU card. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Still don't think it can happen before Brexit terms are finalised, but if it does, Sept 2018 is fine for a repeat No. It won't be apathy but uncertainty that holds sway. Copy and paste type post . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 hour ago, RedRob72 said: Still don't think it can happen before Brexit terms are finalised, but if it does, Sept 2018 is fine for a repeat No. It won't be apathy but uncertainty that holds sway. Perfect. Then we can dole out the numerous examples of "look what No promised last time..." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Fide said: Perfect. Then we can dole out the numerous examples of "look what No promised last time..." In addition to promoting independence as a bastion of certainty in comparison to the uncertain, vascillating, deal-less UK and it's small-minded, separatist nationalism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 I don't think Nicola has any other choice but to call it for next year or at the very latest Spring 2019. What Westminster do is up to them. But a refusal would be, as many have said, the very final nail in the coffin for the Union. Lets see what happens when Westminster replies to the Scottish government and Article 50 is triggered next month. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Antlion said: In addition to promoting independence as a bastion of certainty in comparison to the uncertain, vascillating, deal-less UK and it's small-minded, separatist nationalism. There really is no sound, robust argument that No have for Scotland staying part of the UK. They are therefore restricted to a 2 pronged attack. Targetting people like Rob, who want Scotland to remain tethered to Westminster on entirely ideological, "romantic" grounds and outright barefaced lies. The lies this time will be more frequent and without shame, I guarantee it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Fide said: There really is no sound, robust argument that No have for Scotland staying part of the UK. They are therefore restricted to a 2 pronged attack. Targetting people like Rob, who want Scotland to remain tethered to Westminster on entirely ideological, "romantic" grounds and outright barefaced lies. The lies this time will be more frequent and without shame, I guarantee it. I suspect that "too poor" will be the foundation of the argument this time - Scotland will be painted as the poor, deficit-ridden basket case, and we'll be expected not to realise that that's *under* the rule of a deficit- and debt-ridden UK. Of course, plenty of Scots will embrace this vision with open arms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I suspect that "too poor" will be the foundation of the argument this time - Scotland will be painted as the poor, deficit-ridden basket case, and we'll be expected not to realise that that's *under* the rule of a deficit- and debt-ridden UK. Of course, plenty of Scots will embrace this vision with open arms. And celebrate this then say "as a proud scot" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Also think the getting your independence just to hand it back the Brussels line would feature prominently in a potential second no campaign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Also think the getting your independence just to hand it back the Brussels line would feature prominently in a potential second no campaign. My da came out with that one yesterday. Apparently it wouldn't be real independence if we were still being ruled by the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, Enigma said: Also think the getting your independence just to hand it back the Brussels line would feature prominently in a potential second no campaign. That and having to adopt the Euro. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 21 minutes ago, Blootoon87 said: My da came out with that one yesterday. Apparently it wouldn't be real independence if we were still being ruled by the EU. Which is presumably a boon for unionists, who don't want Scotland to be self-governing... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Which is presumably a boon for unionists, who don't want Scotland to be self-governing... Well aye, he's a hardcore unionist. Voted for Brexit as well and I suspect he's a Tory. I've tried debating independence with him but it's a waste of time, he'll never change his opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 That and having to adopt the Euro. You just throw lines in here at random points don't you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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