HTG Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, jakedee said: Watching debate night, 1st question. Has the Scottish Govt got the balance between health and the economy correct. I'll let you guess what Oliver Mundell brought into the conversation. I'll have a stab at "divisive". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapelhall chap Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 21 hours ago, jakedee said: Watching debate night, 1st question. Has the Scottish Govt got the balance between health and the economy correct. I'll let you guess what Oliver Mundell brought into the conversation. Indeed and even Anas Sarwar suggested he act like a grown up, whilst Oliver pleaded that Anas and Wullie should join him in stopping Indy2. They ignored him. He also said later he was in favour of "muddling through" and did not want to be in office to make these tough decisions. He will of course still get Borders to vote him back in on the basis of Stop the SNP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 16 hours ago, Chapelhall chap said: Indeed and even Anas Sarwar suggested he act like a grown up, whilst Oliver pleaded that Anas and Wullie should join him in stopping Indy2. They ignored him. He also said later he was in favour of "muddling through" and did not want to be in office to make these tough decisions. He will of course still get Borders to vote him back in on the basis of Stop the SNP. He's not Borders, we have Lamont. Would still vote Mundell on the Indy basis anyway however having said that I've not seen much of him, I of course know his dad but had managed to avoid him until I watched Debate Night the other night and by God he was terrible. Just came across flapping on every issue, looked scared to discuss anything. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: I think both Labour and Tory MSPs are going to be doing a lot of that as they're both trying to triangulate the same pool of voters. Aye I think you're right with that. But to be fair to Sarwar he seemed to at least be attacking Mundell, poor wee Oliver looked as if they had some pact not to go for each other and that Sarwar had just betrayed him, he was a deer in the headlights and just seemed so out of his depth. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) Don't forget Willie Rennie - "We must focus on".... proceeds to mention every issue he can think of. Willie... pal. Oliver Mundell being absolutely skewered from all angles here. Pathetic performance. Edited February 19, 2021 by Gordon EF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Ah yes Willie Rennie, one of the most crooked politicians we've ever had with his massive expense claims. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocketman Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Gordon EF said: Don't forget Willie Rennie - "We must focus on".... proceeds to mention every issue he can think of. Willie... pal. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Quite mad to think Willie Rennie has been leader for 10 years, has basically done nothing of note, and isn't under any pressure whatsoever. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Davidson is a stick on, question is will she work in Johnson's cabinet...she hates himShe doffed her cap to work with a party that has an open hatred for same sex relationships. She'd fold like a shite deckchair if the money was right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Erih Shtrep said: Quite mad to think Willie Rennie has been leader for 10 years, has basically done nothing of note, and isn't under any pressure whatsoever. I was really hope they would go extinct in Scotland but seems there's 4-5% hardcore supporters that will always vote for them. PS Of the Northern Isles, where are the SNP bigger? I assumed it would be Orkney due it being closer to the mainland but IIR, their vote share was higher in Shetland than Orkney last few polls? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Kejan said: I was really hope they would go extinct in Scotland but seems there's 4-5% hardcore supporters that will always vote for them. PS Of the Northern Isles, where are the SNP bigger? I assumed it would be Orkney due it being closer to the mainland but IIR, their vote share was higher in Shetland than Orkney last few polls? Just going by 2016 Holyrood elections, slightly bigger on Shetland. 32% of the vote on Shetland, 24% on Orkney (and Shetland had a reasonably popular independent candidate running as well). No other party got into percentage double figures in either constituency. Orkney is the most anti-independence LCA in the country, Shetland is 3rd. Edited February 19, 2021 by Gordon EF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Oliver Lewis has quit Number 10 as head of the Union unit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Anonapersona said: Oliver Lewis has quit Number 10 as head of the Union unit The Yoonyoon? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, Anonapersona said: Oliver Lewis has quit Number 10 as head of the Union unit That’s a shorter tenure than a SLab leader! -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapelhall chap Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Stormzy said: He's not Borders, we have Lamont. Would still vote Mundell on the Indy basis anyway however having said that I've not seen much of him, I of course know his dad but had managed to avoid him until I watched Debate Night the other night and by God he was terrible. Just came across flapping on every issue, looked scared to discuss anything. Thanks for the fine tuning but I did regard Dumfries/Galloway as a Borders constituency ( That's my Central base bias!) . I can see why if you are a No voter , then it's hard not to give your vote to the Conservatives. I agree he was flapping and it amazes me that a guy with his legal background , is so poor. Obviously I support the Indy 2 side of the debate but your guys might need to up their game, or maybe I should not suggest that. I won't comment on his Dad but I think he was shabbily treated by the Johnston government. Take care. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Chapelhall chap said: Thanks for the fine tuning but I did regard Dumfries/Galloway as a Borders constituency ( That's my Central base bias!) . I can see why if you are a No voter , then it's hard not to give your vote to the Conservatives. I agree he was flapping and it amazes me that a guy with his legal background , is so poor. Obviously I support the Indy 2 side of the debate but your guys might need to up their game, or maybe I should not suggest that. I won't comment on his Dad but I think he was shabbily treated by the Johnston government. Take care. I agree with every word. I do however think there are more competent speakers from a Unionst perspective so I don't think it's quite that bad but we should definitely but Mundell Jnr on the subs bench for now -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Thanks for the fine tuning but I did regard Dumfries/Galloway as a Borders constituencyIt’s a “Border constituency” but not a “Borders constituency”Presumably they don’t play enough Rugby or have enough common ridings to be “Borders” proper.Although arguably Langholm is Borders even though they pay D&G council tax 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapelhall chap Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Stormzy said: I agree with every word. I do however think there are more competent speakers from a Unionst perspective so I don't think it's quite that bad but we should definitely but Mundell Jnr on the subs bench for now Yes he is not in the first team selection but from the current set of MSPs and indeed MPs of the Unionist perspective, no one instantly came to my mind. I did like Tomkins who has some intellectual gravity but he is going. On the Labour side I respect Sarwar but I think his New Labour tinge will hold him back. As for the Liberals ??? Outwith the political parties then whi knows. If it were to be the "Scots" at Westminster like Gove/Jack/Forsyth "Leavers" I think they would fail. Of course there may not be Indy 2 but the May election will feature many voices. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapelhall chap Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: It’s a “Border constituency” but not a “Borders constituency” Presumably they don’t play enough Rugby or have enough common ridings to be “Borders” proper. Although arguably Langholm is Borders even though they pay D&G council tax I do tend to see them as Border/Borders right enough. Most of the election studies I have read refer to the area as the Borders. If only Rory the Tory had won the leadership we could have just called them the Borderlands and built another cairn. The Borders constituency voting does seem to be based on a concern about the dominance of the Central Belt from the Labour Landslide of 1945 right through all our referendums. I have no views about Rugby as I have no idea how the game actually works but you could well be right about that and the ridings. Thankfully we managed to beat the Gala football team by 11 goals in the Scottish cup about a decade ago. ( The only win for some time!) Stay safe Edited February 19, 2021 by Chapelhall chap 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: It’s a “Border constituency” but not a “Borders constituency” Presumably they don’t play enough Rugby or have enough common ridings to be “Borders” proper. Although arguably Langholm is Borders even though they pay D&G council tax It's all the Borders. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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