GordonS Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Loki said: No it didn’t. It started the week it was meant to. The French Open pushed back one week. The grass season was pushed back a number of years ago to these weeks. Just checked and it was 2015 it changed, so this is the 5th championships with the later start. I'd thought they changed it much more recently. I'm blaming old age. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Nightmare said: He's never been an easy watch, has he? Dunno, all three titles he's won at Wimbledon were in straight sets, as was his ATP finals win. When he won the Davis Cup he only dropped 2 sets in his 8 singles matches, and none in the semi or final. Not to say he hasn't regularly put us through the mill but he's hardly Tim Henman! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and squeeze Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Great performance from Murray. Never realised the opponent was 28th in the world until after the match! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, GordonS said: Just checked and it was 2015 it changed, so this is the 5th championships with the later start. I'd thought they changed it much more recently. I'm blaming old age. **Andy Murray voice** 6th championships 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Just now, Loki said: **Andy Murray voice** 6th championships 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Glad he got the win. Looked imperious then it all went to bits. Then they shut the roof and he regrouped. Some game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, GordonS said: Dunno, all three titles he's won at Wimbledon were in straight sets, as was his ATP finals win. When he won the Davis Cup he only dropped 2 sets in his 8 singles matches, and none in the semi or final. Not to say he hasn't regularly put us through the mill but he's hardly Tim Henman! That first Wimbledon title (not the Olympics) was one of the toughest watches, even if it was straight sets! You're probably right in that we've watched an awful lot of straightforward wins in Andy's career, and have definitely been spoiled by him. Doesn't mean he hasn't chucked a few awful games/sets/matches in there along the way. More understandable today than it was back when he was in his prime, mind you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nightmare said: That first Wimbledon title (not the Olympics) was one of the toughest watches, even if it was straight sets! You're probably right in that we've watched an awful lot of straightforward wins in Andy's career, and have definitely been spoiled by him. Doesn't mean he hasn't chucked a few awful games/sets/matches in there along the way. More understandable today than it was back when he was in his prime, mind you. Even in those title wins he was two sets down to Verdasco in the QF. In 2016 he chucked away a two set lead against Tsonga in the QF. In his US Open win he was a set and two breaks down to Cilic in the last 16. In the ATP finals he was match point down to Raonic in the semi final. Also took more than 3.5 hours to get past Nishikori. He very rarely won the first set in Slam semi finals. I think the Murray roller coaster has always been there. I think his struggles in matches are the norm. He isn’t as good as Federer, Djokovic or Nadal and I feel he gets judged against their standards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Loki said: Even in those title wins he was two sets down to Verdasco in the QF. In 2016 he chucked away a two set lead against Tsonga in the QF. In his US Open win he was a set and two breaks down to Cilic in the last 16. In the ATP finals he was match point down to Raonic in the semi final. Also took more than 3.5 hours to get past Nishikori. He very rarely won the first set in Slam semi finals. I think the Murray roller coaster has always been there. I think his struggles in matches are the norm. He isn’t as good as Federer, Djokovic or Nadal and I feel he gets judged against their standards. I think this is probably the key. It feels like he's had a lot of clangers, but I'd imagine if we'd watched every match in the career of a Berdych, Tsonga or Cilic who I'd say sit in the tier below Murray, they've probably been even worse in that regard. It's been a privilege, though, even if we've occasionally had to put up with him labouring past the likes of Viktor Troicki in the 3rd round at the French. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Nightmare said: That first Wimbledon title (not the Olympics) was one of the toughest watches, even if it was straight sets! You're probably right in that we've watched an awful lot of straightforward wins in Andy's career, and have definitely been spoiled by him. Doesn't mean he hasn't chucked a few awful games/sets/matches in there along the way. More understandable today than it was back when he was in his prime, mind you. I think it's because we're so invested. When you watch the matches again he was always ahead of Federer in 2012 (and Djokovic in the semis), and of Djokovic in 2013. But when he lost those three match points in 2013 we all thought he was going to lose! He usually coasted through the early rounds as easily as the big 3, but yes, especially in a 5 setter he could have a shitty half hour and have to dig himself back out. Never anything like that third set tonight though. I can't recall ever seeing anyone lose a set from 5-0 without being injured - and definitely not to go on and win the match. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 I think my favourite laboured victories in slams was his 2016 run to the French Open final. Two sets down to Stepanek in Round One and the two sets to one down to Mathiaus Bourgue in Round 2. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Loki said: Even in those title wins he was two sets down to Verdasco in the QF. In 2016 he chucked away a two set lead against Tsonga in the QF. In his US Open win he was a set and two breaks down to Cilic in the last 16. In the ATP finals he was match point down to Raonic in the semi final. Also took more than 3.5 hours to get past Nishikori. He very rarely won the first set in Slam semi finals. I think the Murray roller coaster has always been there. I think his struggles in matches are the norm. He isn’t as good as Federer, Djokovic or Nadal and I feel he gets judged against their standards. To me those matches don't really lead to criticisms, they show his strength. He's never had the natural talent of the big 3 and really he never had much more than the chasing pack. Good players having a really good match were always going to trouble him. He didn't have a surface on which he could stand out, unlike the other 3. But he had more determination not to lose than anyone else on the tour, and nobody trained harder either. His flakes cost him sets but rarely matches. From his first QF in a slam, at Wimbledon in 2008 only once in any slam did he lose before the last 16 until his injury in 2017. Only 6 times in 36 slams did he not make the quarters at least, and it happened only once in 6 years 2011-2016 (to Kevin Anderson at the US Open. It's incredible consistency. You look at Wawrinka with his 3 slams, he has nothing like that record. I've always thought the distinctions among the big 4 were that Federer was the best player, Djokovic the best athlete, Nadal had the most will to win and Murray most hated to lose. Very Scottish tbh. Three slams from 11 finals, two Olympics, a Davis Cup, an ATP Finals, world number 1 (for the 14th most weeks), 7 of the 9 Masters titles, in the toughest era ever in men's tennis, and unquestionably cut short at the top by injury. We've seen him beat Federer on grass, Djokovic on hard court and Nadal on clay. It's been a privilege to follow. How Basilashvili is feeling right now: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, GordonS said: Just checked and it was 2015 it changed, so this is the 5th championships with the later start. I'd thought they changed it much more recently. I'm blaming old age. First week of Wimbledon used to be the last week of school. Second week was in the Kilmarnock fair and we'd be watching it on holiday somewhere. In the case of the Borg v McEnroe tie break, the window of Radio Rentals in Monmouth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Andy has often produced Wimbledon roller coasters.... Gasquet, Bagdades(i know spelt wrong), warkinka(prob spelt wing), Verdasco.(maybe spelt wrong) and Nalbandian( think spelling ok), springs to mind. Lost that last one but very young at time... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 It’s a shame to me that there doesn’t seem to be any prospect of a Murray brothers partnership with Andy switching to concentrate on doubles which should be friendlier on his body. I think they could play together for 3-4 years and win multiple grand slams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdhafc1874 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 It’s a shame to me that there doesn’t seem to be any prospect of a Murray brothers partnership with Andy switching to concentrate on doubles which should be friendlier on his body. I think they could play together for 3-4 years and win multiple grand slams.They could join up but remember that Jamie is actually the older brother & has just partnered back up with Soares who he's won all his GS double titles with.JM will be on the hunt for a couple more GS doubles titles before he retires & much more likely to do so with an established partner he's won slams with before.Andy seems determined to stay playing singles so [emoji2369] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Andy has often produced Wimbledon roller coasters.... Gasquet, Bagdades(i know spelt wrong), warkinka(prob spelt wing), Verdasco.(maybe spelt wrong) and Nalbandian( think spelling ok), springs to mind. Lost that last one but very young at time...I’d add in his loss to Roddick in 09 and his win vs Janowicz in 13 on the list of mental games he was involved in. Not quite as mental as the Gasquet one right enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Dan Evans through 3-0 against Lopez. Watched the 2nd set on my lunch break. Wild forehands from the Spaniard. Beat himself really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Serena looks gubbed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtie23 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 minute ago, peasy23 said: Serena looks gubbed. Oh what a shame 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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