cmontheloknow Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I thought that the £2000 was a down payment to register for licencing but the yearly fee is £500. It's not clear if the qualifiers who are non members have to pay the registration. AFAIK they don't. But bear in mind the qualifiers have zero guarantees at the start of the season and are there therefore on sporting merit under the current criteria. Even if the licensed clubs have to pay £500 pa for the priviledge, they get a larger amount back by playing in the Scottish Cup annually, with no pressure put on them to qualify in the first place. A team can lose in R1 ten years in a row and bank £20,000+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I thought that the £2000 was a down payment to register for licencing but the yearly fee is £500. It's not clear if the qualifiers who are non members have to pay the registration. Would be good to see clarification, as ever it's not very clear and there's nothing online from the SFA making it clear either. They do not encourage clubs to become licenced in any way, they should be out there "selling" the benefits to ALL clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Would be good to see clarification, as ever it's not very clear and there's nothing online from the SFA making it clear either. They do not encourage clubs to become licenced in any way, they should be out there "selling" the benefits to ALL clubs. Everyone should know about the benefits of licencing, and how you go about achieving it is easy to find out as well. The old northerner seemed happy enough with his engagement with the SFA since Haddington got in contact with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old speckled hen Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 . What are the requirements to join the league what do clubs need now The most costly requirement for a NEW club to join the EOSFL is an enclosed ground which wasn't a requirement only two or three years ago. Access to three years of accounts used to be a requirement so may well still be. Some clubs don't have enclosed grounds but are okay because it applies to new clubs only at this point. Enclosing a ground can cost upwards of £20,000. Marr1.. This is the third year of off the LL I think and teams still don't have lights so not sure about the two year thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Everyone should know about the benefits of licencing, and how you go about achieving it is easy to find out as well. The old northerner seemed happy enough with his engagement with the SFA since Haddington got in contact with them. It's not actually, and believe it or not, the SFA wont even talk to you about Licencing unless you apply for SFA membership and cough up £2k first. Once you become a member and cough up the cash, they might send someone out to give you advice. Hardly going out of their way to encourage and promote licencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 What do we ask in return? We are willing to talk to any prospective members who can demonstrate the ambition to meet our objectives regarding Club Licencing which would clearly also require a commitment to engage with the pyramid system. It may be that there are amateur clubs out there who do not currently have the infrastructure in place to meet our criteria but we are happy to talk to any who think that they can do so in time and can show a willingness to try. I find this interesting, they appear to be appealing to Amateur clubs to apply and commit to Licencing. Given that 99% of Amateur clubs in the area don't even have enclosed grounds let alone anything else, then I'm not sure the above statement is going to encourage them. We really need to bang heads together and get the EoSFL talking to the ERJFA/SJFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 They are going through the motions, so they can claim their mythical pyramid is in place. The last thing they want is to have junior clubs gatecrashing the subsidy party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 It's not actually, and believe it or not, the SFA wont even talk to you about Licencing unless you apply for SFA membership and cough up £2k first. Once you become a member and cough up the cash, they might send someone out to give you advice. Hardly going out of their way to encourage and promote licencing. The documents giving just about every requirement of licencing are easy enough to get on the SFA site. Don't think we particularly have the resources to go round every club especially those unwilling to pay the starting cost. Process seems to be 1. club wants to enter Scottish cup, 2. they look online at the requirements for licencing, 3. decide if that's something they can achieve 4. Contact SFA re getting a licence 5. Work with SFA and other bodies in order to achieve the a licence. 6. Club gets benefit from licencing. I don't see what's wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 The documents giving just about every requirement of licencing are easy enough to get on the SFA site. Don't think we particularly have the resources to go round every club especially those unwilling to pay the starting cost. Process seems to be 1. club wants to enter Scottish cup, 2. they look online at the requirements for licencing, 3. decide if that's something they can achieve 4. Contact SFA re getting a licence 5. Work with SFA and other bodies in order to achieve the a licence. 6. Club gets benefit from licencing. I don't see what's wrong with that. The SFA won't go an talk to anyone unless you cough up £2k. Sure you can obtain the criteria but it raises a lot of questions. It's like a car dealer giving you a brochure then wanting you to cough up the full cost before letting you take the car for a test drive. If the SFA are genuine about promoting Club Licencing, they should be falling over themselves to go out and speak to clubs who are showing interest in the scheme. They're not. It's almost as if they don't want too many more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 The SFA won't go an talk to anyone unless you cough up £2k. Sure you can obtain the criteria but it raises a lot of questions. It's like a car dealer giving you a brochure then wanting you to cough up the full cost before letting you take the car for a test drive. If the SFA are genuine about promoting Club Licencing, they should be falling over themselves to go out and speak to clubs who are showing interest in the scheme. They're not. It's almost as if they don't want too many more. It's almost as if, they don't want to spread out the profits to more clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 The SFA won't go an talk to anyone unless you cough up £2k. Sure you can obtain the criteria but it raises a lot of questions. It's like a car dealer giving you a brochure then wanting you to cough up the full cost before letting you take the car for a test drive. If the SFA are genuine about promoting Club Licencing, they should be falling over themselves to go out and speak to clubs who are showing interest in the scheme. They're not. It's almost as if they don't want too many more. impetus must be on the clubs, it's there job to push the process, after all they get the benefit. Last thing sfa want is to put loads of effort into helping a club for them not to bother. SFA are not the salesman in the process so your analogy doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 If they were serious about a pyramid, there would be no obstacles placed in the way of joining the subsidised "senior" cartel, such as the £2k and the progression clause. Dozens of junior clubs either exceed or are not that far away from meeting the ground standards that were met by the likes of Civil Service Strollers and Golspie Sutherland to ensure Scottish cup entry. If the SFA were serious about a pyramid they would be actively trying to open up the early rounds of Scottish Cup to all junior clubs with a reasonably enclosed ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Pyramid and cup participation don't have to be linked. I've said it fairy regularly but junior football needs to give so much more. 2k is in reality pittance to a lot of clubs, they'll throw a heck of a lot more at players. The participation clause isn't overly clear but you understand why it's there. IMO it's not unreasonable as long as it's not applied too harshly, e.g if a club actively campaigns with others for the juniors to join the pyramid on mass then that should suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 If the SFA were serious about a pyramid there would be no need for a campaign, because the whole concept of having parallel national associations for separate grades would be done away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 impetus must be on the clubs, it's there job to push the process, after all they get the benefit. Last thing sfa want is to put loads of effort into helping a club for them not to bother. SFA are not the salesman in the process so your analogy doesn't work. The analogy works pretty well when you consider the SFA are there to promote the "product". They are the guardians of the game, it is they who introduced club licencing, therefore the onus sits squarely with them to encourage and promote it. They don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 If they were serious about a pyramid, there would be no obstacles placed in the way of joining the subsidised "senior" cartel, such as the £2k and the progression clause. Dozens of junior clubs either exceed or are not that far away from meeting the ground standards that were met by the likes of Civil Service Strollers and Golspie Sutherland to ensure Scottish cup entry. If the SFA were serious about a pyramid they would be actively trying to open up the early rounds of Scottish Cup to all junior clubs with a reasonably enclosed ground. Pretty much spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown Brogue Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Have any new teams applied yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surely not! Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 If they were serious about a pyramid, there would be no obstacles placed in the way of joining the subsidised "senior" cartel, such as the £2k and the progression clause. Dozens of junior clubs either exceed or are not that far away from meeting the ground standards that were met by the likes of Civil Service Strollers and Golspie Sutherland to ensure Scottish cup entry. If the SFA were serious about a pyramid they would be actively trying to open up the early rounds of Scottish Cup to all junior clubs with a reasonably enclosed ground. Not been involved in the junior game for a while, but is it purely the commitment to pyramid ( or whatever the line is) that stops the junior clubs getting licensed? Surely financially if there are a lot of teams in the same state as strollers or Golspie then it's a no Brainer for them to pay the £2k and get access to the potentially riches that scottish entry would provide? Min £2k before ticket sales etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Even if the team plays someone like Kelty or Lithgae in the First Prelim, and gets beat, they'll still get money from sponsors, corporate, ticket sales and free publicity, that'll certainly be worth more than the £2k for the license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Not been involved in the junior game for a while, but is it purely the commitment to pyramid ( or whatever the line is) that stops the junior clubs getting licensed? Surely financially if there are a lot of teams in the same state as strollers or Golspie then it's a no Brainer for them to pay the £2k and get access to the potentially riches that scottish entry would provide? Min £2k before ticket sales etc It's not a case of just handing over £2k and getting into the Scottish Cup, the work involved in getting a licence isn't straightforward and ground upgrades could cost a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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