Detournement Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: You're obviously trolling, but this is drivel. How can it be possible to continually reduce spending whilst providing more services? http://piketty.blog.lemonde.fr/2018/07/10/europe-migrants-and-trade/ Quote According to the most recent ECB (European Central Bank) data the trade surplus of the Euro zone stood at 530 billion Euros in 2017, or almost 5% of the GDP of the Euro zone (11,200 billion Euros) and the trend is the same in 2018. In other words, each time the countries in the Euro zone produce 100 units of goods and services, they only consume and invest 95 in their own country. The gap may seem narrow but, repeated year by year, it is in reality considerable. Never in economic history, or at least never since the existence of trade statistics (that is, since the beginning of the 19th century) have we found evidence of such a huge trade surplus for an economy of this size. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 39 minutes ago, Detournement said: The fact that he and his husband are doing this after their friend was murdered by militias linked to Bolsonaro is incredibly brave. I've recently read 'The Open Veins of Latin America' by Eduardo Galeano. It's extremely depressing. Things could get very ugly, very easily in South America. Into his football too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Cheers. I'll definitely stick that on my reading list. He's a great writer. That will hopefully be a bit cheerier than reading about centuries of indigenous people being enslaved and worked to death. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, Detournement said: How can it be possible to continually reduce spending whilst providing more services? http://piketty.blog.lemonde.fr/2018/07/10/europe-migrants-and-trade/ We aren't continually reducing spending and I doubt many people think we're providing more services. I've no idea why you think the Piketty quote and link are relevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: We aren't continually reducing spending and I doubt many people think we're providing more services. I've no idea why you think the Piketty quote and link are relevant. If you increase the size of the population you need more services, that's obvious surely? If the immigrants have a high birth rate then that is compounded. The Piketty quote is the perfect example of why the EU economy is failing. 5% every year just disappearing out of the Eurozone. No doubt ending up offshore and being invested into lower wage economies. Migrants aren't going to stop coming so it'll either be the welfare state or the fiscal austerity that go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: If you increase the size of the population you need more services, that's obvious surely? If the immigrants have a high birth rate then that is compounded. The Piketty quote is the perfect example of why the EU economy is failing. 5% every year just disappearing out of the Eurozone. No doubt ending up offshore and being invested into lower wage economies. Migrants aren't going to stop coming so it'll either be the welfare state or the fiscal austerity that go. This is racist bollocks. And you're utterly clueless about economics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 We need immigration to service an aging population. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, welshbairn said: We need immigration to service an aging population. You hear that quite a lot but you also hear that workers are going to be put out a job by automation, both points can't be true. The reality is that massive amounts of existing jobs are completely pointless and millions of people are underemployed. The reason why we "need" immigration is to service an economic system based on exploitation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Labour: the party of internationalism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Not sure how true it is, but just been reading that Ross Thomson's nickname within the Tory contingent at Westminster is "SNP Gain" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Dunno what to add about the Denmark stuff except a lot of people have gone silent after the “socialists” made that Strasserite pledge to confiscate stuff from asylum seekers and distribute it to Danes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Dunno what to add about the Denmark stuff except a lot of people have gone silent after the “socialists” made that Strasserite pledge to confiscate stuff from asylum seekers and distribute it to Danes. They made no such pledge of course but don't let facts interfere with your agenda. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Dunno what to add about the Denmark stuff except a lot of people have gone silent after the “socialists” made that Strasserite pledge to confiscate stuff from asylum seekers and distribute it to Danes. That was the Venstre Party, centre to not so centre right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 They made no such pledge of course but don't let facts interfere with your agenda. Well, they’ve agreed to continue backing a law which allows them to confiscate valuables off asylum seekers with some pretty easily manipulated justification. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/05/centre-left-social-democrats-set-to-win-in-denmark-elections 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Dunno what to add about the Denmark stuff except a lot of people have gone silent after the “socialists” made that Strasserite pledge to confiscate stuff from asylum seekers and distribute it to Danes. That's not what happened though. Asylum seekers with assets over 10,000 Kroner have to contribute towards their accommodation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Well, they’ve agreed to continue backing a law which allows them to confiscate valuables off asylum seekers with some pretty easily manipulated justification. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/05/centre-left-social-democrats-set-to-win-in-denmark-elections At no point have they taken things from asylum seekers to "distribute it to Danes". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 On 10/06/2019 at 00:40, Ned Nederlander said: Simply fucking awesome: What a fuckin great woman she is. We should be proud to have her, can you imagine the Maybot doing that? And she looks so natural and happy, one of the things I like about the SNP and as an extension independence is being governed by normal people who are just like the rest of us and understand the problems of everyday people. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: No bad: That's a brilliant sign, the EU are gantin to keep us. Now is the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Part 9644674785 in an occasional series on term limits for politics pundits Some cheek of these people to accuse Corbynites of living in the past given they still haven't accepted any of the political events since June 2016. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, MixuFixit said: No bad: I could see square goes between Smith and Puigdemont with the Latvian Russian and the Flems. Could end badly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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