dirty dingus Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 The Government are using the fingers in the ear going lalalalala technique of investigation. From the Guardian: 'Committee members said they could not definitively conclude whether the Kremlin had or had not successfully interfered in the Brexit vote because no effort had been made to find out.' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) So the report is saying the Government in essence didn't care about intereference and made no attempt to investigate it. Edited July 21, 2020 by Richie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Probably why Unionist social media isn't going too OTT on the Scottish referendum stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, MixuFruit said: Just had a wee look at the twitter feeds of the fleggiest of fleggy anonymous unionist twitter accounts and they're not really going that nuts for the news, oddly. Russia stuff is more the preserve of lunatic libs like Carole Cadwalladr 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Ross. said: Probably why Unionist social media isn't going too OTT on the Scottish referendum stuff. Stewart Hosie clarified the Indyref stuff (After Torcuil Crighton raised in the Q&A). Apparently the interference was after the referendum had taken place. The aim being for Russia to discredit the actual result (and therefore UK Gov) Primarily to its own domestic audience via its various news channels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 31 minutes ago, Richie said: Stewart Hosie clarified the Indyref stuff (After Torcuil Crighton raised in the Q&A). Apparently the interference was after the referendum had taken place. The aim being for Russia to discredit the actual result (and therefore UK Gov) Primarily to its own domestic audience via its various news channels. Hosie came through that conference with a lot of credit. Spoke cogently and coherently. A future SNP leader at Westminster? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocketman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Hosie came through that conference with a lot of credit. Spoke cogently and coherently. A future SNP leader at Westminster? it was looking that way till the affair/whatever nonsense got in the way. I would dearly love to see Blackford replaced asap 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 8 hours ago, MixuFruit said: @renton haha Various papers including the Metro are reporting that "there had been ‘credible open source commentary’ suggesting Russian tried to influence the Scottish independence referendum in 2014" "Open source commentary" is material which has been published in the media or academia. Stuff that is as available to you or I as it is to the intelligence services. It's hardly top secret. Here's some credible open source commentary regarding Putin & Cameron in 2014 https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13140055.camerons-plea-to-putin-help-me-stop-salmond/ 12th January 2014 Cameron's plea to Putin: help me stop Salmond By David Leask @leaskyHT Chief Reporter, The Herald DAVID Cameron's Government wants the backing of Russian President Vladimir Putin in the battle against Scottish independence, the former USSR's leading news agency has reported... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 If those ruskies meddled in the indy ref in 2014 it has to be decoared null and void and lets go again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Revealed: the Foreign Office Devo unit's drive to kill off independence http://archive.vn/vUXqN#selection-1101.0-1101.71 It is understood the FCO has contacted the governments of China, Russia, the US, New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the 28 EU nations about the Scottish referendum in a global search for allies who might oppose independence. https://theferret.scot/russian-donors-conservative-party/ Russian donors have given £3.5 million to the Conservative party Well-connected Russian oligarchs and companies heavily involved in lobbying for Russian interests have stepped up their funding of the Conservative party in recent months. Some things to think about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 39 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Revealed: the Foreign Office Devo unit's drive to kill off independence http://archive.vn/vUXqN#selection-1101.0-1101.71 It is understood the FCO has contacted the governments of China, Russia, the US, New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the 28 EU nations about the Scottish referendum in a global search for allies who might oppose independence. https://theferret.scot/russian-donors-conservative-party/ Russian donors have given £3.5 million to the Conservative party Well-connected Russian oligarchs and companies heavily involved in lobbying for Russian interests have stepped up their funding of the Conservative party in recent months. Some things to think about. This was a link from the ferret story, a bit meaty considering it's from Reuters. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-johnson-russian-specialrep/special-report-in-british-pm-race-a-former-russian-tycoon-quietly-wields-influence-idUKKCN1UE0WY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Hosie was in the Morrison' car park in Arbroath at about half 9 at night about 2 weeks ago looking shady as f**k. Just standing by the trolleys on his own. I nipped in, got my stuff, came back out and he was still standing there. Not that this has any relevance to anything. Just felt like sharing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/1285314836386242565?s=20 There goes the NHS. Aye but #nhsheroes #thankyounhs #clapforcarers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 52 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: 13 hours ago, milton75 said: https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/1285314836386242565?s=20 There goes the NHS. Aye but #nhsheroes #thankyounhs #clapforcarers Tweet's gone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Phew! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, HTG said: Tweet's gone? It would have been this one I imagine Cummings most have dished out a bollocking and this is now on the HoC Twitter feed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 My understanding, arising partly from personal experience with the ‘Trump-Russia dossier’, is that this government perhaps more than its predecessors is reluctant to see (or act upon) intelligence on Russian activities when this presents difficult wider political implications. Examples of this include reporting on the Kremlin’s likely hold over president Trump and his family/administration and indications of Russian interference in and clandestine funding of the Brexit referendum. In the case of the so-called ‘dossier’, this was initially handled appropriately by senior British intelligence professionals but, on reaching top political decision makers, a blanket appeared to be thrown over it and those who had produced or were associated with it. No enquiries were made or actions taken thereafter on the substance of the intelligence in the dossier by HMG. In this case, political considerations seemed to outweigh national security interests. If so, in my view, HMG made a serious mistake in balancing matters of strategic importance to our country. A prospective trade deal should never be allowed to eclipse considerations of national security. Evidence given to the Intel committee by Christopher Steel of Orbis. https://orbisbi.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2020-07-21-Statement-from-Orbis-on-Intelligence-and-Security-Committee-Russia-Inquiry-2018.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 18 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: Hosie was in the Morrison' car park in Arbroath at about half 9 at night about 2 weeks ago looking shady as f**k. Just standing by the trolleys on his own. I nipped in, got my stuff, came back out and he was still standing there. Not that this has any relevance to anything. Just felt like sharing. Sturgeon must condemn. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 21 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: Hosie was in the Morrison' car park in Arbroath at about half 9 at night about 2 weeks ago looking shady as f**k. Just standing by the trolleys on his own. I nipped in, got my stuff, came back out and he was still standing there. Not that this has any relevance to anything. Just felt like sharing. I assume that Police Scotland's "Salmond Squad" are on the case? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2020/jul/22/one-in-10-born-in-80s-to-inherit-more-than-half-average-lifetime-earnings Inheritance got a Charlton Hestonesque 'you'll take it out my cold dead hands' from a surprising few people on here the last time it came up but this report is pretty chilling. If this happens you are talking about American levels of inequality here that will reshape society. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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