Mark Connolly Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Still, another excuse for the BBC to have endless sound bites and QT appearances from Niggly Farage. He's a stick on for QT next week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: He's a stick on for QT next week. Will of the people, m9. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Will of the people, m9. If only the House of Lords had a veto on who goes on QT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 The games pretty much up down south, the nick the tories are in and they still held up. The branch office up here need to realise England and ergo the UK isn't getting a red govt in the near future so they need to hitch a lift on the Indy bus. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Turns out abandoning a lot of the things that made you an alternative doesn’t get people out to vote for you. Mad, if true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Quote Ukip general secretary Paul Oakley has insisted it was not “all over” for the party and has defended his party by comparing it favourably to the Black Death. “It’s not all over at all,” Oakley told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “Think of the Black Death in the Middle Ages. It comes along and it causes disruption and then it goes dormant, and that’s exactly what we are going to do. Our time isn’t finished because Brexit is being betrayed.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 When you look at this in the context of the Tories being in government for 8 years and Labour having a surprisingly great election a year ago, it’s hard to not view these locals as a total failure for the Labour Party. Don’t appear to have wrestled any of the Tory-led councils in London away from them, despite talking up their chances for months. Barnet, in North London, went from NOC to Conservative, which has a large Jewish population and I think shows that the anti-semitism scandal has really hit through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 9 hours ago, NotThePars said: The Labour council leader appears to be a psychopath judging by Twitter people from around there. I'm sure the leader of Sunderland council killed someone who broke into his pub a few years ago? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I'm sure the leader of Sunderland council killed someone who broke into his pub a few years ago? Yeah that’s what I saw people referring to. Apparently he was known as “stabber” which reminds me of Karl Pilkington describing the people on the estate he grew up in. Looking at the results it appears as if Labour and the Lib Dems have had a fair whack of success at the direct expense of the Conservatives who have recovered some ground from hoovering up all the UKIP councillors. While you can’t read too much into council elections which have a small turnout IMO it’s further evidence alongside Grenfell, the “hostile climate”, Windrush and Brexit that the Tories are fighting an explicitly anti-immigration, anti-black, anti-muslim, strategy that’s being rewarded by the electorate. Not at all hopeful of Labour’s response to this when you have David Lammy and Diane Abbott, two normally excellent MPs on immigration, taking great pains to emphasise the differences between “illegal” and “legal” immigrants rather than making a more positive case for all the people that come to our country by normal channels or otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Still, another excuse for the BBC to have endless sound bites and QT appearances from Niggly Farage. Yup and you can be sure he say something like: "Look, this is only to be expected - everything is still going to plan." Why vote for the puppet master when the Tories are doing everything he wants them to do? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Pretty mad they use first past the post in the council elections down south.In an area of london tories got 41.8% of the vote and labour 40.8% of the vote and that equates to 41 to 20 councillors and in another result in Rotherham Labour got 77% and the tories got 22% and labour get all 71 councillors.Its all a bit daft 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Local elections are never a good indicator but I would’ve thought the elderly would still turn out in numbers, and the young in very small numbers - as such you could spin it as a success for Labour, no?There’s no doubt though that the Tories should be taking an absolute pounding at this stage. Referendums do that though, there are people on here who would vote SNP if it meant all newborns were to be drowned, just as there are now millions who would vote Tory because ‘Brexit means Brexit’. I do suspect if Corbyn hadn’t simultaneously planned the Holocaust and started Stalin’s gulags back in the 30’s, Labour would be romping regardless though. The media is still a massive influence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Local elections are never a good indicator but I would’ve thought the elderly would still turn out in numbers, and the young in very small numbers - as such you could spin it as a success for Labour, no?There’s no doubt though that the Tories should be taking an absolute pounding at this stage. Referendums do that though, there are people on here who would vote SNP if it meant all newborns were to be drowned, just as there are now millions who would vote Tory because ‘Brexit means Brexit’. I do suspect if Corbyn hadn’t simultaneously planned the Holocaust and started Stalin’s gulags back in the 30’s, Labour would be romping regardless though. The media is still a massive influence. Reminds me of the council elections up here in that nearly all sides will have something to crow about. Feels inconclusive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 What we can definitely say is that these elections results show that all my opinions are right and those who don't share my opinions are wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 So despite Grenfell tower, austerity, brexit, nhs scandals, windrush, rape clause and their general disgusting behaviour the English still vote overwhelmingly for the Tories and reject everyone’s favourite geography teacher Corbyn. Will this serve as a wake up call to the labour drones up here that its either Indy or yet more Tory Governments? Because if Labour can’t unseat the tories in these circumstances then how can they??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 48 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: So despite Grenfell tower, austerity, brexit, nhs scandals, windrush, rape clause and their general disgusting behaviour the English still vote overwhelmingly for the Tories and reject everyone’s favourite geography teacher Corbyn. Will this serve as a wake up call to the labour drones up here that its either Indy or yet more Tory Governments? Because if Labour can’t unseat the tories in these circumstances then how can they??? Despite that being an almost entirely bizarre list of things to lay at the feet of the Conservative party, it's almost as if Labour doesn't know what the f**k it's doing to take advantage of such perception. UKIPs ongoing collapse show how out of touch both main parties have been. It took the rise of a tiny party for the electorate's voice to be heard on a large single issue that neither main party would represent as a major issue. Now the issue is resolved (details pending), the party is unsurprisingly done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Despite that being an almost entirely bizarre list of things to lay at the feet of the Conservative party, it's almost as if Labour doesn't know what the f**k it's doing to take advantage of such perception. UKIPs ongoing collapse show how out of touch both main parties have been. It took the rise of a tiny party for the electorate's voice to be heard on a large single issue that neither main party would represent as a major issue. Now the issue is resolved (details pending), the party is unsurprisingly done. In what way is it bizarre, the tories caused brexit, they continue to make a fucking arse of it, their council in Kensington put the cladding up at Grenfell because poor peoples houses made rich people feel sad, they caused the windrush scandal, unnecessarily implemented the rape clause and austerity. Its literally what they’ve done over the past ten years to name but a few of the more recent disgusting things they’ve done. Its an entirely relevant point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: In what way is it bizarre, the tories caused brexit, they continue to make a fucking arse of it, their council in Kensington put the cladding up at Grenfell because poor peoples houses made rich people feel sad, they caused the windrush scandal, unnecessarily implemented the rape clause and austerity. Its literally what they’ve done over the past ten years to name but a few of the more recent disgusting things they’ve done. Its an entirely relevant point. Bizarrely, many people support or don't see those things as bad. Even more bizarrely, many people do not support and see other things as bad. Perhaps bizarrest of all, many people vote on a balance of weighing the good and bad across the available local candidates / national parties rather than on the basis of hysterical cherrypicking. Hard to imagine folk have different opinions and priorities, granted! Edited May 4, 2018 by banana 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Bizarrely, many people support or don't see those things as bad. Even more bizarrely, many people do not support and see other things as bad. Perhaps bizarrest of all, many people vote on a balance of weighing the good and bad across the available local candidates / national parties rather than on the basis of hysterical cherrypicking. Hard to imagine folk have different opinions and priorities, granted! Yes but in the proven political differences between Scotland and England it is a perfectly reasonable difference to point out as the labour loonies in Scotland cling on to some misty eyed dream of Corbyn being a socialist prime minister when despite the most inept and evil tory government in decades they couldnt score in a political brothel with a briefcase full of money. If you’re going to make snide remarks about other posters at least know or understand the context behind that posters point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Bizarrely, many people support or don't see those things as bad. Even more bizarrely, many people do not support and see other things as bad. Perhaps bizarrest of all, many people vote on a balance of weighing the good and bad across the available local candidates / national parties rather than on the basis of hysterical cherrypicking. Hard to imagine folk have different opinions and priorities, granted! Right but your point was that it’s “bizarre” laying Tory policy and it’s effects at the feet of the Conservative Party which is probably why you’ve responded to him by having the debate equivalent of a stroke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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