HomelandsOur Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 So we all know that the SNP are going to win the most votes and seats, but what people are forgetting is that AMS is designed to avoid majorities. Is the SNP likely to get their majority again (could be crucial in event of brexit) and if they don't, is a coalition with the greens going to be viable? Hopefully this is just pre-polling day jitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 They'll get the majority I'd think. They'll probably win enough constituencies to be over the line before taking the list into account (they'll get list seats in the South and probably the highlands too, and they may pinch 1 or 2 others as well). I think it would be a shock if they don't get a majority tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 So we all know that the SNP are going to win the most votes and seats, but what people are forgetting is that AMS is designed to avoid majorities. Is the SNP likely to get their majority again (could be crucial in event of brexit) and if they don't, is a coalition with the greens going to be viable? Hopefully this is just pre-polling day jitters. The SNP are on course to win anything from 70-80 seats, 65 is needed for a majority. Can't see there being a coalition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 It's certainly not going to be the massacre that folk were predicting a few months back. We are obviously going to be the largest party and that's the only prediction anyone can make at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Yes. They will get majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossbill Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 AMS is NOT designed to prevent a majority - it is designed to prevent a majority when not supported by a majority of voters. The system is not quite properly representative, as there are more FPTP constituency seats than list seats, but it is not bad at dividing seats proportionally based on the number of votes. The reason it is not properly proportional is that Labour tried to rig the system to favour themselves - they did not anticipate their crash in support, so built in more FPTP seats so that they would always get an advantage. This advantage now works for the SNP instead. I actually think it would be worthwhile correcting this imbalance as it would make tactical voting on the list (based on the assumption that a majority can be gained on the constituency vote alone)impossible. No more arguments about who you should give your second vote to! In this election, the SNP seem likely to get about 50% of the vote, so a majority is a realistic representation of the electorates wishes (compare with Westminster where the Conservatives have a majority with only 37% of the vote). I think a coalition with the Greens would work if necessary. The nightmare scenario is a Labour-Conservative-Lib Dem coalition. God, just imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Is everyone shitting themselves again? The SNP's support hasn't dropped below 49% in any poll I've seen and I think 43% is their low mark on the list. If they get anywhere near that, they'll waltz their way to another majority. I think they'll poll around the 50% mark for the constituencies and maybe 45 or 46% on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 AMS is NOT designed to prevent a majority - it is designed to prevent a majority when not supported by a majority of voters. The system is not quite properly representative, as there are more FPTP constituency seats than list seats, but it is not bad at dividing seats proportionally based on the number of votes. The reason it is not properly proportional is that Labour tried to rig the system to favour themselves - they did not anticipate their crash in support, so built in more FPTP seats so that they would always get an advantage. This advantage now works for the SNP instead. I actually think it would be worthwhile correcting this imbalance as it would make tactical voting on the list (based on the assumption that a majority can be gained on the constituency vote alone)impossible. No more arguments about who you should give your second vote to! In this election, the SNP seem likely to get about 50% of the vote, so a majority is a realistic representation of the electorates wishes (compare with Westminster where the Conservatives have a majority with only 37% of the vote). I think a coalition with the Greens would work if necessary. The nightmare scenario is a Labour-Conservative-Lib Dem coalition. God, just imagine. I cannae imagine that. Who would lead.....and who would follow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 SNP majority easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 7/1 for No overall majority. Having a wee punt on that, think the turnout will be low and have a hunch the pollsters have overestimated the snp vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Is everyone shitting themselves again? The SNP's support hasn't dropped below 49% in any poll I've seen and I think 43% is their low mark on the list. If they get anywhere near that, they'll waltz their way to another majority. I think they'll poll around the 50% mark for the constituencies and maybe 45 or 46% on the list. Only slight panic for me is on turnout although I suspect it will still be comfortably higher than 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 7/1 for No overall majority. Having a wee punt on that, think the turnout will be low and have a hunch the pollsters have overestimated the snp vote. Nah. Underestimated it if anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 7/1 for No overall majority. Having a wee punt on that, think the turnout will be low and have a hunch the pollsters have overestimated the snp vote. Like they have done so many times in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I hope for a snp majority and the torys to beat labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I hope for a snp majority and the torys to beat labour One sleep tae go then we will find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Is there a constituency exit poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owsley Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Sturgeon's popularity is well ahead of Salmond's and the SNP got an amazing result in 2011. Since then we've had the aftermath of the referendum and all the promises and lies exposed, a stunning near clean sweep in the GE, the saving of the steel jobs, Carmichael, media bias becoming obvious to even the sceptical; this list could go on and on. Only worry is lazy voters but then there will likely be many disillusioned voters of other parties who won't leave their sofas. 74 seats is my forecast. Labour cling on as opposition by one seat. Greens fourth. No ukip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 The biggest danger is apathy. This has to be the most low key election in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 The biggest danger is apathy. This has to be the most low key election in a long time. Turnout at the general election in Scotland was 71%, the last Holyrood election was 50%. There is no way it will drop back down to that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 The SNP will be the largest party but even if they didn't get a majority, I'd assume they'd form a minority government as they did in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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