New Scottish Parliament

[AUFC90]

Who got the lowest?

When did they get the lowest?

What happened to them at the next election?

Also, given that there have only been FIVE Holyrood elections, whether its the second lowest or not is pretty irrelevant.

Who cares ? Fact is the Tories got 22% and the media are portraying it as a victory. The diddy parties got humped yet again. No surprise to see a Tory such as yourself responding though.

[AUFC90]

Who cares?

Exactly.

No idea why you are getting yourself so worked up over it.

Aye, raging so I am. The boards most angry poster accusing someone else of being worked up 😂

No bother Tory boy.

[strichener]

Give me an example of a second job which the MSP is keeping on whlst in Parliament where that job could be done well by the seemingly endless pool of talent we have sitting on the couch at home during the week watching Jeremy Kyle and complaining about the "fukcing Tories".

An educated person would be able to find this out. Perhaps you are too busy doing your important job. Or, as is more likely, you are too lazy.

It was after all you that cast doubt on the unemployed to do some of these second jobs.

If you do make the effort, your subsequent apology will be duly accepted.

[Ad Lib]

If an educated person would be able to give an example, surely an educated person like strichener would be able to do so no bother?

[Granny Danger]

Give me an example of a second job which the MSP is keeping on whlst in Parliament where that job could be done well by the seemingly endless pool of talent we have sitting on the couch at home during the week watching Jeremy Kyle and complaining about the "fukcing Tories".

So all unemployed people are devoid of skills and sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle? Well this simply reinforces your position as a right wing rocket.

[strichener]

If an educated person would be able to give an example, surely an educated person like strichener would be able to do so no bother?

You are correct. However, it wasn't myself that put forward the notion that the currently unemployed are not capable of doing any of this work. I already know that it isn't a valid assertion.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Oaksoft :lol:

[John Lambies Doos]

Oaksoft :lol:

He's some boi )

[Benjamin_Nevis]

He's absolutely obsessed with people on benefits. Mental.

He posted some fucking doozies on the Benefit Sanctions threads. An utter fucking thicko. Hopefully he's not still pretending to be a scientist.

[mjw]

He's absolutely obsessed with people on benefits. Mental.

He must have a television that only gets channel 5.

[WaffenThinMint]

Give me an example of a second job which the MSP is keeping on whlst in Parliament where that job could be done well by the seemingly endless pool of talent we have sitting on the couch at home during the week watching Jeremy Kyle and complaining about the "fukcing Tories".

 

 

An educated person would be able to find this out. Perhaps you are too busy doing your important job. Or, as is more likely, you are too lazy.

It was after all you that cast doubt on the unemployed to do some of these second jobs.

If you do make the effort, your subsequent apology will be duly accepted.

 

If I may, Strichener...

 

1. District/Unitary Authority Councillor: After becoming MSPs, it's expected (but not compulsory) that a sitting councillor resigns their seat, which has no qualification requirements other than winning the by-election. If the bibdribbling piece of Labour vermin that is Terry Kelly (who still appears to think that Wendy Alexander is an MSP) can earn £17 000 before expenses as well as "allowances" and be in charge of the spending of millions of pounds of tax payers money, anyone can do the job.

 

2. Company Director: Only qualification is not being banned from being one. Possible renumeration from £0 to £ millions depending on one's entrepreneurial zeal.

 

3. Consultant: A job which seems to be a popular second choice and seems to involve being given large amounts of money for doing outwardly very little at all. The only qualification appears to be that you need to be an MP, an MSP, a councillor (preferably on the Planning or Licencing Committee) or mysteriously anyone else walking the corridors of power, which I'm sure is merely for the sake of recent experience and has no sinister undertones to it.

 

4. Journalist: A lot of MSPs and for that matter MPs appear to find time to do this when they ought to be busy with constituency work, and when there's a lot of unemployed hacks out there trying to scrape a living on the free lance circuit finding themselves pushed out by those who aren't even NUJ accreditted, let alone have any sort of formal qualification in journalism. Many of these are of the "weekly column" variety in the local rag which anyone could do and which pay so little the MP/MSP may as well give for someone else to help earn a crust with.

[Ad Lib]

It's totally ridiculous to suggest that any of those four careers are instances of politicians assuming second jobs to the exclusion of unemployed people.

Councillors: unless a dominant political party was planning on putting forward an unemployed person in the absence of someone who'd just been elected a Parliamentarian, this wouldn't be the case. And that is most unlikely.

Company Director: not actually a "job" in the normal way because many of them aren't remunerated. It is chronically misleading to suggest that these are jobs "anyone could do" just because disqualification is the only formal requirement to be eligible to be one. I'm not disqualified under the Companies Act but Tommy Sheppard wouldn't dream in a million years of making me, or just about anyone else, a director at Salt 'n' Pepper Promotions Limited.

Consultant: You've literally answered your own question here. Consultancy positions are the living and breathing meaning of delectus personae when it comes to employment. The people in question have value to a company specifically because of their experience and contacts in a given industry or set of institutions, so clearly these aren't jobs that any Thomas, Richard and Henry could do.

Journalist: Alex Salmond, Joan MacAlpine and Boris Johnson are not writing occasional newspaper columns to the exclusion of unemployed people, with or without journalism degrees. They are chosen again, because of their specific notoriety or public positions, and their holding of an office like being a Member of a Parliament specifically adds to their sellability from the perspective of the newspaper.

Second jobs do not exclude anyone else from a job opportunity in the context of politics. They just don't.

[strichener]

It's totally ridiculous to suggest that any of those four careers are instances of politicians assuming second jobs to the exclusion of unemployed people.

Councillors: unless a dominant political party was planning on putting forward an unemployed person in the absence of someone who'd just been elected a Parliamentarian, this wouldn't be the case. And that is most unlikely.

Company Director: not actually a "job" in the normal way because many of them aren't remunerated. It is chronically misleading to suggest that these are jobs "anyone could do" just because disqualification is the only formal requirement to be eligible to be one. I'm not disqualified under the Companies Act but Tommy Sheppard wouldn't dream in a million years of making me, or just about anyone else, a director at Salt 'n' Pepper Promotions Limited.

Consultant: You've literally answered your own question here. Consultancy positions are the living and breathing meaning of delectus personae when it comes to employment. The people in question have value to a company specifically because of their experience and contacts in a given industry or set of institutions, so clearly these aren't jobs that any Thomas, Richard and Henry could do.

Journalist: Alex Salmond, Joan MacAlpine and Boris Johnson are not writing occasional newspaper columns to the exclusion of unemployed people, with or without journalism degrees. They are chosen again, because of their specific notoriety or public positions, and their holding of an office like being a Member of a Parliament specifically adds to their sellability from the perspective of the newspaper.

Second jobs do not exclude anyone else from a job opportunity in the context of politics. They just don't.

You appear to confusing the unemployed with uneducated. It is common for people to do so, especially those that think graduation is the key that unlocks the employment door. There are many people in the NE at the moment that are highly educated and unemployed.

[WaffenThinMint]

It's totally ridiculous to suggest that any of those four careers are instances of politicians assuming second jobs to the exclusion of unemployed people.

Councillors: unless a dominant political party was planning on putting forward an unemployed person in the absence of someone who'd just been elected a Parliamentarian, this wouldn't be the case. And that is most unlikely.

Company Director: not actually a "job" in the normal way because many of them aren't remunerated. It is chronically misleading to suggest that these are jobs "anyone could do" just because disqualification is the only formal requirement to be eligible to be one. I'm not disqualified under the Companies Act but Tommy Sheppard wouldn't dream in a million years of making me, or just about anyone else, a director at Salt 'n' Pepper Promotions Limited.

Consultant: You've literally answered your own question here. Consultancy positions are the living and breathing meaning of delectus personae when it comes to employment. The people in question have value to a company specifically because of their experience and contacts in a given industry or set of institutions, so clearly these aren't jobs that any Thomas, Richard and Henry could do.

Journalist: Alex Salmond, Joan MacAlpine and Boris Johnson are not writing occasional newspaper columns to the exclusion of unemployed people, with or without journalism degrees. They are chosen again, because of their specific notoriety or public positions, and their holding of an office like being a Member of a Parliament specifically adds to their sellability from the perspective of the newspaper.

Second jobs do not exclude anyone else from a job opportunity in the context of politics. They just don't.

 

Word salad from the Saladcrat, and the sort of response that would get you slapped down by the worthy masters at Glasgow University for not answering the actual question which was set.

 

The question from Oafsoft was "Give me an example of a second job which the MSP is keeping on whlst in Parliament where that job could be done well by the seemingly endless pool of talent we have sitting on the couch at home during the week watching Jeremy Kyle and complaining about the "fukcing Tories"."

 

Each of the above jobs popular amongst our career politicos at Holyrood can be done by anyone - period.

[Granny Danger]

Ad Lib's hoping that one day he will be elected and that when this happens he won't have to give up his day job.

He probably wishes he could roll back time to when Westminster comprised of educated gentlemen who carried out their Parliamentary duties after office hours then retired to the bar or whorehouse for the remainder of the evening.

[John Lambies Doos]

Ad Lib's hoping that one day he will be elected and that when this happens he won't have to give up his day job.

He probably wishes he could roll back time to when Westminster comprised of educated gentlemen who carried out their Parliamentary duties after office hours then retired to the bar or whorehouse for the remainder of the evening.

He'll have to stop spending every waking hr on p&b if he wants elected, plus he will probably have to admit he is a tory and join that party...

[Shades75]

Oaksoft had a minor points victory in a debate a couple of days ago.

We're all suffering for it now and I reckon it'll be about a week before he lets it go.

Damn you Strichener.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Oaksoft had a minor points victory in a debate a couple of days ago.

We're all suffering for it now and I reckon it'll be about a week before he lets it go.

Damn you Strichener.

How the f**k did that happen?

[strichener]

Its not me wandering around the forum bleating pathetically about MSPs in second jobs keeping unemployed people on the dole.

I am calling bullshit on your claim.

If you make that claim its your responsibility to prove it.

...aaaaaaaand this is what you resort to when you know you have lost the debate.

[WaffenThinMint]

Ad Lib beat me to this. He is quite correct.

This is a discussion about Strichners claim that MSPs taking second jobs kept people on the dole.

None of those second jobs are keeping anyone on the dole out of work.

 

And again, the question you set was:

 

"Give me an example of a second job which the MSP is keeping on whlst in Parliament where that job could be done well by the seemingly endless pool of talent we have sitting on the couch at home during the week watching Jeremy Kyle and complaining about the "fukcing Tories"."

 

In order to avoid repetition, let's just take the first instance I made, that of councillors:

 

The Tories saw seven, the SNP four, Labour two and the Greens one councillor who were elected also to Holyrood at the beginning of May. All but one of the Tories have agreed not to take any more councillor's salaries for the remainder of their elected time, but in refusing to resign they are denying fourteen of their own party members (or another's or an independent if they lost the by-election) the opportunity to become a full time councillor, with a basic wage of £17 000.

 

Fourteen people being denied a wage.

 

 

"None of those second jobs are keeping anyone on the dole out of work."