ONeils40yarder Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, Ross. said: Mostly a bunch of daft wee boys who are caught up in the growing "Ultras" scene who were trying to be edgy and provocative, emboldened by the thought that their team had a half chance of actually winning a big game for a change. The nazi salutes and the anti catholic bile should have seen a few of them lifted but the police done nothing. OBAF is still in place so quite how that offered encouragement I don't know. I get the 'anti-Catholic bile' part, but I haven't seen anything to convince me there was anything unusually sinister about it all, despite having seen social media claims, of right-wing, Combat 18 involvement and the like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Why weren't they dispersed then? Why wasn't anyone lifted? Why was nothing done? What was it they were doing that antagonizes you so much? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, ONeils40yarder said: What was it they were doing that antagonizes you so much? Aren't Nazi salutes, sectarian slurs and violent imagery enough for you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ross. said: You should probably direct that question to the police. Sure, and I've already said that the signal to the police was to not bother since the OBFA is getting repealed, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Baxter Parp said: Sure, and I've already said that the signal to the police was to not bother since the OBFA is getting repealed, right? So the police were told not to apply the laws that are currently in place? Who told the police not to bother? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Aren't Nazi salutes, sectarian slurs and violent imagery enough for you? I've not seen any 'violent imagery' at all...maybe I've not been looking hard enough though. The sectarian slurs are par for the course on both sides of that bigot-fest, and while not condoning it in the slightest, I'm not sure what the difference is this time. C'mon, we all know they weren't nazi salutes...wee fannies, sticking their imaginary 'red-hands of ulster' in the air, not some sort of Hitler-worship. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, ONeils40yarder said: I've not seen any 'violent imagery' at all...maybe I've not been looking hard enough though. Their banner had a depiction of someone beating up a celtic fan. 1 minute ago, ONeils40yarder said: The sectarian slurs are par for the course on both sides of that bigot-fest, and while not condoning it in the slightest, I'm not sure what the difference is this time. For me, par for the course is to be outraged and condemn sectarianism and bigotry of any type. 2 minutes ago, ONeils40yarder said: C'mon, we all know they weren't nazi salutes...wee fannies, sticking their imaginary 'red-hands of ulster' in the air, not some sort of Hitler-worship. There is no such thing as a "Red Hand of Ulster" salute, they made it up to justify their Nazi salutes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ross. said: So the police were told not to apply the laws that are currently in place? Who told the police not to bother? The Scottish Parliament when they voted to repeal the OBFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Baxter Parp said: Their banner had a depiction of someone beating up a celtic fan. ....violent imagery For me, par for the course is to be outraged and condemn sectarianism and bigotry of any type. I agree here There is no such thing as a "Red Hand of Ulster" salute, they made it up to justify their Nazi salutes. Yes, there is...so don't talk shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I think it's clear that Baxter Parp is a monumental bellend who needs to shut his stupid fanny face. Hopefully he takes this to mean I 100% condone bigotry and racism 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, DA Baracus said: I think it's clear that Baxter Parp is a monumental bellend who needs to shut his stupid fanny face. Are you still in short pants, sonny? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, ONeils40yarder said: Yes, there is...so don't talk shite. Dates all the way back to 2007. http://www.irishnews.com/news/2013/10/28/news/symbolism-of-red-hand-74095/ When Rangers fans were investigated by Uefa in 2007 for making what looked like one-armed Nazi salutes in Tel-Aviv, the club said supporters were in fact saluting in support of Ulster loyalism. However, historian Ian S Wood who has studied loyalism extensively said he had "never seen or heard of anything called a red hand salute". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: The Scottish Parliament when they voted to repeal the OBFA. Since the act is still in place, this didn't happen. Continue to keep talking shite though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Dates all the way back to 2007. http://www.irishnews.com/news/2013/10/28/news/symbolism-of-red-hand-74095/ When Rangers fans were investigated by Uefa in 2007 for making what looked like one-armed Nazi salutes in Tel-Aviv, the club said supporters were in fact saluting in support of Ulster loyalism. However, historian Ian S Wood who has studied loyalism extensively said he had "never seen or heard of anything called a red hand salute". Whether a historian recognises it or not, thats what the symbolism is about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, ONeils40yarder said: Whether a historian recognises it or not, thats what the symbolism is about. Shite. The symbolism is exactly the same as the SDL or the EDL or the National Front or Britain First. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: The Scottish Parliament when they voted to repeal the OBFA. Has the repeal been implemented already? if so, why didn’t the police arrest people under one of the many other laws you agree could have been utilised? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ross. said: Has the repeal been implemented already? if so, why didn’t the police arrest people under one of the many other laws you agree could have been utilised? The first reading of the repeal has gone through, it's not off the books yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Shite. The symbolism is exactly the same as the SDL or the EDL or the National Front or Britain First. Its sectarian...not fascist 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, ONeils40yarder said: Its sectarian...not fascist So it's a sheer co-incidence it first appeared when Rangers fans were in Tel-Aviv? f**k me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, ONeils40yarder said: Its sectarian...not fascist I’d probably side with Parp on this one. The symbolism is too well known. Fits in with my view of them being deliberately provocative and attempting to be edgy to say it is something else though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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