Offensive Behaviour at Football Act cave in.

[RandomGuy.]

10 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Aye its a pure doddle to arrest a stand full of supporters, theres absolutely no risk that’ll result in a riot.

It's a "tiny minority" remember, shouldn't be too hard to weed them out...

[Jeff Venom]

The "black" in the Ayr song was always about being unwashed (originally pit-workers?) but yeah the song should probably have died when the pits did.

[pandarilla]

Anyone still using the term ‘black,’ to mean dirty or bad in the 21st century should be sterilised tbh. 

Reading some of your posts on here make me wish my mother had been.

The term was entirely innocent, with absolutely no connections to racism.

[AUFC90]

"Black" meaning not washing was pretty common in Scotland before there were many racially black people.

Still very common in Ayrhsire and I've seen plenty of stewards at in the likes of Stirling and stuff pulling up Ayr fans about it.

[welshbairn]

Piccaninnies was a commonly used term for black children in the 19th century, PC gone mad that it was frowned upon when Boris Johnson used it in the 21st.

Edited February 28, 2019 by welshbairn

[craigkillie]

6 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Piccaninnies was a commonly used term for black children in the 19th century, PC gone mad that it was frowned upon when Boris Johnson in the 21st.

Definitely the same thing.

[welshbairn]

11 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

Definitely the same thing.

I'm all in favour of keeping old football traditions going, but I draw the line about singing "Black b*****ds" in 2019.

[Granny Danger]

3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I'm all in favour of keeping old football traditions going, but I draw the line about singing "Black b*****ds" in 2019.

Like Falkirk being shite?  I agree.

[craigkillie]

That was a quick switch from the "strawman" argument to the "in this day and age" argument. Presumably next up will be "children might hear it and think".

[craigkillie]

Not really dying on the hill, just calling out a disingenuous argument.

[AUFC90]

Whether the term was ‘entirely innocent,’ or otherwise, things grow in to other things, the term ‘black b*****d,’ is quite clearly a racist term, no matter if it was originally ‘entirely innocent,’ or not. Luckily it’s not the 1980’s in all of Scotland. 

It's only racist if used in a racist context. It's not racist when used in places like Ayrshire towards a white person who is a black b*****d.

[Granny Danger]

4 minutes ago, ali_91 said:

Bit of a strange hill to die on Craig. 

 

3 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

Not really dying on the hill, just calling out a disingenuous argument.

Have any other P&Brs died on a strange hill or called out a disingenuous argument?

[craigkillie]

Just now, ali_91 said:

It’s racist everywhere. That your shire is still stuck in the 1980’s doesn’t mean it’s not racist there ffs. 

Why would it be racist? It's not something I tend to say because it might be mistaken for having racist connotations, but the phrase is fundamentally not racist.

[AUFC90]

It’s racist everywhere. That your shire is still stuck in the 1980’s doesn’t mean it’s not racist there ffs. 

Please explain how calling a white person from Shortless, who's house is a shite hole, a black b*****d is racist.

 

[yoda]

It's interesting to note that Ayr United's kit has the white above the black. A coincidence? Maybe. A subtle message about their fans' bloodlust for chasing "black b*****ds"? Maybe.

[Granny Danger]

9 minutes ago, ali_91 said:

Wrong poster ffs. 

I know but I don’t care.  This thread has taken a strange turn anyway.

[craigkillie]

Just now, ali_91 said:

Because the phrase ‘black b*****d,’ has for decades been used by white people in a derogatory way towards black people. White people can’t use that phrase without it, rightly or wrongly, being heavily associated with racism and anti-black sentiment. 

The phrase might be associated with racism (hence why I said I don't use it), but it is not racist in the context being described here, given that it has absolutely nothing to do with race.

[craigkillie]

1 minute ago, ali_91 said:

Based on the origin of the term described by people who weren’t alive when the term became commonplace. I’d be very surprised if nobody who used that term used it because of the racist meaning behind it. 

This is word salad. People who call Ayr United "black b*****ds" are clearly not using it in a racist sense, which is the only point of this whole discussion.

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, ali_91 said:

Anyone still using the term ‘black,’ to mean dirty or bad in the 21st century should be sterilised tbh. 

Ayrshire is barely entering the 1950s tbf. 

[Detournement]

5 minutes ago, ali_91 said:

‘Scotland fans sang ‘We hate Jimmy Hill, he’s a poof.’ I assume thats fine because Jimmy Hill was a straight, married man? 

’

 

That's clearly homophobic.

This has nothing to do with race though as it's just one Scottish person saying another Scottish person has poor hygiene or housekeeping.