capt_oats Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) Tbf, nothing he says there is that surprising and let's be honest there would have been heads detached all over the place if we'd signed James Scott on what is effectively a 2.5 year deal - so fair fucks to St Mirren for committing to that. Additional quotes here FWIW: Quote But he said: "I want to get one in first and then I will see where I am from there. What does that leave us in terms of finances? "There are so many things in question, everything depends on money and availability. "The situation is evolving all the time, we are having to shift the goalposts depending on being turned down by a player or whether we can afford one, or if we can afford him does that mean it's only one rather than two? "Because we have had so many injuries, we sometimes have to think about having that cover and ensuring it's maybe more than one." After Arsenal recalled Biereth to send him out to Austrian title challengers Sturm Graz and successful spells for the likes of James Furlong and Brodie Spencer plus current loanee Georgie Gent, Kettlewell is hoping to persuade major clubs to trust him with their young players. "We have been working in that fashion, if we are speaking to clubs about young loan players we believe we can evidence the opportunities here and that they will flourish in this environment," he said. "But that sometimes still comes down to money and relationships with other clubs." Link Edited January 25 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 44 minutes ago, capt_oats said: I suppose I wondered how that squared with a) Hammell loaning him out because we'd ended up with O'Donnell and McGinn still on the books by mistake and b) Hammell sitting in front of the AGM telling folk that he was confident Johnston would sign a new deal. I've come to the conclusion that Hammell was being willfully naive or deliberately talking out his arse ok that one. I also wouldn't take anything SK says re a striker as absolute gospel...yes we want one in quickly but it's better to be without for another game than sign the wrong one or overpay for dross we then just have to move on. The January window is all about holding your nerve, something it is fair to say we fans on the outside struggle to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said: I've come to the conclusion that Hammell was being willfully naive or deliberately talking out his arse ok that one. I've mentally separated Hammell the player from Hammell the manager. Hammell the player: professional, consistent, clever. Hammell the manager: an idiot. That's what I assume fuelled the Johnston situation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blink182 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I suppose another issue of the January transfer window is the manager saying in the press that it's tough and that we've not been able to get player A, B, C and D over the line. As player E it can't be the most exciting thing to see before picking up the phone and hearing Motherwell's offer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welldaft Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Will watch the presser on YT later but must say this brief outtake has fair cheered me up……. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 26 minutes ago, Blink182 said: I suppose another issue of the January transfer window is the manager saying in the press that it's tough and that we've not been able to get player A, B, C and D over the line. As player E it can't be the most exciting thing to see before picking up the phone and hearing Motherwell's offer. I don't think that really comes into it...they're all pros who will be doing the same thing to clubs from their own perspective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: We've done relatively well at punting some, and its really just the moron deals (Crawford being one of our higher earners sitting on a 3yr deal...) still kicking about. One unwanted player already punted this morning. We've rebuilt our squad the last 2 Summers so having "legacy mistakes" is probably kind of normal. If rumours are true we head into the Saturdays game with Clark, May, Kimpioka, Kane, Jaiyesimi, Carey, Kucheriavyi, Smith and Connor Smith all in the squad for the 3 attacking positions, and potentially the squad being balanced budget wise (i think theyve effectively just written Crawford off as dead money now and ignoring that). Where would last year’s Bair rank in that list of forwards? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 9 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said: I don't think that really comes into it...they're all pros who will be doing the same thing to clubs from their own perspective. Agree with this. It's another thing that fans probably read too much into ie: the assumption that we speak with one player at a time and only move on to the next one if we get a kb. It's clearly going to be understood that we'll be speaking to a ton of players, equally players will be speaking to multiple clubs. Also, where it's pertinent to us, different players will become available at different times due to circumstances - especially in the loan market which is where I assume we're shopping atm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18May1991 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 All this concern/panic is going to leave us looking collectively daft when the Bair bags a hat trick on Saturday. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Trying to sign players sounds like an absolute pain in the arse. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The weird thing is that the law of football cliche means that the January window must be described as "difficult" - but it feels to me like we've done better in January compared to the summer over the years... I would be very happy to be wrong but if we were going to have a striker in for the weekend, we'd be hearing some rumours via the usual channels* by now. *Scott Burns via cryptic twitter post or @capt_oats spending time on Insta seeing who Georgie Gent is following. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crazylegsjoe_mfc Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I think Hammell was out of his depth speaking publicly. The Snodgrass press conference was an early indicator of that. I honestly think he said he was confident Johnston would sign a new deal to get the question over and done with. In terms of squad size, we had much smaller squads when we were half decent and we padded the squad out with younger players. It makes you think that we can attribute a lot of our success then to avoiding injuries to key players. In the seasons where we finished 3rd, 2nd and 2nd, really only Steven Saunders and Simon Ramsden had any injuries of note. These days, any time we've a small squad we seem to get injuries by the load. What's changed between then and now? Is it worse physios? Plastic pitches? Is our smaller budget making us go for players with chequered fitness history? In those days, your bench would be filled with the likes of Page, McHugh, Carswell, ZFA, Moore etc. They all seem a bit more like grown ups, but any youngster on our bench these days is an actual wean. Obviously exceptional cases like Miller can handle it, but I can see why we don't chuck many in. Funnily enough, I can't think of a recent success case of one of our players going south to an under 23s side. McKinstry, Leitch, McAlear and Hall are all playing at a lower level than Motherwell now. I'm not sure if I've missed any? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 13 minutes ago, crazylegsjoe_mfc said: Funnily enough, I can't think of a recent success case of one of our players going south to an under 23s side. McKinstry, Leitch, McAlear and Hall are all playing at a lower level than Motherwell now. I'm not sure if I've missed any? I am sure it's been mentioned before but of all the ones that got away (snapped up as youngsters or were let go) none of them have successfully managed their football at a higher level ( I don't think a similar level either) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'WellDel Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 13 minutes ago, crazylegsjoe_mfc said: Funnily enough, I can't think of a recent success case of one of our players going south to an under 23s side. McKinstry, Leitch, McAlear and Hall are all playing at a lower level than Motherwell now. I'm not sure if I've missed any? Well theres Lee Erwin who departed for Leeds and is now tearing it up in, eh, Lebanon. His agent obviously does some job getting him gigs in leagues few others have tried, with Finland and Azerbaijan under his belt too. Fair play to the lad for being willing to give these places a go. I'm assuming some of them are the pub-iest of pub leagues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camer0n_mcd Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Few folk on twitter saying Montgomery is out for 3 months 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 23 minutes ago, camer0n_mcd said: Few folk on twitter saying Montgomery is out for 3 months Surely fucking not . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Manhattan Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, crazylegsjoe_mfc said: In the seasons where we finished 3rd, 2nd and 2nd, really only Steven Saunders and Simon Ramsden had any injuries of note. These days, any time we've a small squad we seem to get injuries by the load. What's changed between then and now? Is it worse physios? Plastic pitches? Is our smaller budget making us go for players with chequered fitness history? 25 minutes ago, camer0n_mcd said: Few folk on twitter saying Montgomery is out for 3 months For f**k's actual f**king sake. In all seriousness, can we try just not training for the rest of the season? As an added bonus, it couldn't make our passing (or throw ins, or corners) any worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blink182 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 27 minutes ago, camer0n_mcd said: Few folk on twitter saying Montgomery is out for 3 months If that's the case surely it's loan cancelled immediately? When you say "few folk" though. Anything substantial or just standard twitter? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camer0n_mcd Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, Blink182 said: If that's the case surely it's loan cancelled immediately? When you say "few folk" though. Anything substantial or just standard twitter? Same people that knew about the Slattery injury before it came out. Could be nonsense but I'd be inclined to believe it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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