YassinMoutaouakil Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Can we just give Turnbull to Celtic for free and ask them to coincidentally donate £3m to the Well Society? Force Hutchison to double it = free money IMO. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staggy1929 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 By all accounts Turnbull is the real deal and hopefully he can fulfil his potential at Celtic. As previously mentioned hopefully his progression isn't hindered by a lack of games/starts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, dezz said: I think Random Guy has taken DT’s ‘Boyata Index’ value of £150m a bit too seriously. Im as gutted as all other well fans he’s moving on but as our CEO has said, £3m+ is ‘transformational’ money for us. You can’t ask much more from ‘the model’ than a young Motherwell fan from the academy breaking through to the first team and securing us a fee that will see the club debt-free and be able to invest in the infrastructure and future of the club. If the laddie wants to go then there's also the possibility that rejecting such an offer upsets him. If he's then not performing to his best standard what is his value this time next year? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I refuse to believe a players value should be dictated by the club he plays for. If Turnbull scored 15 goals in the league for Celtic last season he'd be worth more than £3m, despite him achieving the exact same feat in the same league. Maybe that's moronic, maybe its naive, it's not an opinion I'll change. He would be worth more as he has broken in to a team which has better players, and because of that would probably be in with more of a shout of a scotland cap. He would also most likely have been exposed to a higher level of football (Europe, more top 6 games). We would also have higher resources to keep him should a bid come in. All these factors would increase his value. So to summarise yes, it is moronic. Edited June 13, 2019 by gannonball 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 minute ago, G_Man1985 said: Debt free is great news. So do we expect Motherwell to be challenging for a Europe position this coming season? If you are able to sell your best players to a team in this league I presume the board have already looked into replacements to charge the team into Europe. ( we cant guarantee you 9 points this season so apologies for that ) I doubt this money will really change things drastically on the playing front - I think our place in the middle of the table somewhere will be the end result next season... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: Debt free is great news. So do we expect Motherwell to be challenging for a Europe position this coming season? If you are able to sell your best players to a team in this league I presume the board have already looked into replacements to charge the team into Europe. ( we cant guarantee you 9 points this season so apologies for that ) As much as I am ready for a wee jaunt in that direction again, I did get throughly bored of playing in Europe and being year after year made the summers expensive as fuuuuuuuckk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Just now, G_Man1985 said: A record breaking fee will not change much for the team ? You have kilmarnock you can look at surely who spent I'm gonna guess not an awful lot to get a place in Europe? Surely the attraction now at being at Motherwell will be really good. 2 players of recent times heading to rangers and Celtic. The debt free is great news however with big money coming in surely on the field would be a good idea to invest in. Unless you have another player you are ready or think you are ready to cash in for next season ? I suppose you have put a bench mark of 3 million for one of the best young Scottish players. I would imagine that the board are looking at this as "once in a generation" money - and now we are fan owned, it is the only way that we will get serious injections of cash. If we spent that on player wages as opposed to strategic stuff, it would be a total waste. We qualified for Europe 6 times in 7 years in very recent memory - so I don't think that would be a major incentive to anyone really... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Imagine a Dundee fan telling us just to launch a shitload of money into our first team and forget about everything else. All in the hope of a 1st Round Europa League Qualifier against some mob from Macedonia. A Dundee fan. Dundee had a higher wage bill than Motherwell last year, and got relegated. I'm fine with the model we have, thank you very much. Bring the next young batch through and let's try again. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 minute ago, G_Man1985 said: So take the money and pay off the debt and just carry on like normal? No - take the money, pay off the debt and build training facilities (as opposed to a public park) or redevelop crumbling bits of the ground. And if we up the wage budget a bit and sign a couple of decent players, I'll be delighted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: A record breaking fee will not change much for the team ? You have kilmarnock you can look at surely who spent I'm gonna guess not an awful lot to get a place in Europe? Surely the attraction now at being at Motherwell will be really good. 2 players of recent times heading to rangers and Celtic.The debt free is great news however with big money coming in surely on the field would be a good idea to invest in. Unless you have another player you are ready or think you are ready to cash in for next season ? I suppose you have put a bench mark of 3 million for one of the best young Scottish players. In fairness, Burrows has already outlined that the plan is to focus on infrastructure, specifically the Academy. He outlines these things in the Tweets below although he's also pointed out that we'll continue to "support" the manager as best we can. In my time supporting the club we've already seen Alex McLeish effectively set fire to £2m buying players so I think focussing on infrastructure and making sure the club continues to be sustainable and viable 100% makes sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 minute ago, G_Man1985 said: Have noticed EPL teams are after a 15 year old player at Motherwell. Now at 15 and playing for under 20s.. surely another big fee is incoming ? McAlear? He's 17 and tbf English PL and Championship sides looking at our Academy players is a pretty regular thing. We've already sold a player to Leeds this window. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: Strange that not to long ago you boys wanted to punt this manager yet here he is making your club debt free. Top manager To be fair - the model that we are working to kind of pre-dates Robinson (and his influence in the Academy will be a lot less than in the first team). If there is credit here, it would go more to Burrows and the board (as they would be getting the slaggings if we were running at a loss) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said: I hope the £3m gets lost in transit. We're not Hamilton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellinwigan Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: Surely the credit is in the manager having faith in the youth and playing them and resulting in this transfer record fee ? He and burrows got you this fee... Surely you gotta praise the manager here ? Hiya Stephen hiya pal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: Exciting times ahead. Unsure why you mentioned my team. Or are no other set of fans allowed to make a comment about another team? Your idiotic suggestion is the exact type of short-term thinking that left Motherwell on their arse 16/17 years ago. It's resulted in your team going through a couple of financial meltdowns themselves, along with a few relegations, in the same period. So, I'm very comfortable is not just blowing money on a few overpaid 'names' to try and get a prize that's not really that much to shout about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 I guess we can expect to see Turnbull in the next Scotland squad before the ink on his Celtic contract is even dry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: Surely the credit is in the manager having faith in the youth and playing them and resulting in this transfer record fee ? He and burrows got you this fee... Surely you gotta praise the manager here ? I was really just pointing out that the academy stuff is a long term project - not really a slight on Robinson. For example - Stephen Craigan has had a huge influence on the development of the younger guys that have been making the headlines - Robinson was a later convert (and some of the players were simply not ready for 1st team to be fair). But I would suggest that the main lesson here is that there needs to be a strategy in place to make this stuff happen - it's far from an accident - and that is why those running the club deserve their bit of praise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: So take the money and pay off the debt and just carry on like normal? I think you're wildly over-estimating what our debt is, not least taking into account it's all a soft loan, and that for every pound that gets paid back, and additional pound gets written off. Effectively every pound paid back reduces the debt by £2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke92 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Regardless of how he left it was going to be a sore one. Obviously what has added to it for a lot of people is who he is going to. Alongside this to we have lost two of the best talents we have had in quite some time to the Old Firm in short succession. Clearly this is the reality of being a Motherwell fan but it still doesn't make it any less depressing. A lot of the 'giving up season ticket' stuff has been completely uncalled for but you are going to get that reaction from a couple of folk within a large group of football fans. The other camp we have is folk apparently rubbing their hands and congratulating the club on bringing in so much money. Personally I don't really get much satisfaction in the club getting transfer fees when it means our best player in a generation is going to Celtic. I understand the financial benefit this money will have but I don't really get the satisfaction some fans appear to have. I think the difficulty is knowing that a lot of the money we get is unlikely to be reinvested in the playing squad. For that reason I find it hard to get excited about incoming $$$ as a fan who attends games on a Saturday. Anyway, my opinion is that there is a fine balance between our model of developing/selling on versus keeping fans like myself onside and the club in the division. Ultimately Motherwell as a club need to sell guys on, this is how we stay afloat. Somewhere along the line though we need to use this money to increase the budget we operate at currently. My fear for the club is if we continue to sell off all our key players as quickly as they break through, the 'well' (pun intended) will run dry in terms of youth prospects and recruitment elsewhere. We need to get the balance right to ensure we keep enough of our good players to compete at a decent level in the division. If we are looking at things on the pitch and away from the financial side of things it is very debatable that we are getting the good out of our youth prospects when they leave after such a short period of time. The aim has to be to hold on to guys for at least a couple of first team seasons and move them on. Personally I would like us to use a sensible amount of this fee to increase wage bill this season. Not by a ridiculous amount but at a level better than previous years. I really don't think it is unrealistic to expect us to eclipse the likes of St Johnstone and Accies for example. Players like Aribyi would be a good example of someone we could recruit. Hopefully this would allow us to get 1/2 of the players we normally lose out on to clubs down south. It's hard to argue that the club should have turned this money down but I do think there can be a decent argument made that we sold pretty early. I think the club made it very public what our valuation of the player was (newspapers were quoting 3m last week) Obviously it's a risk/reward scenario but had we held out until the end of the window/January we could be looking at a bigger fee. I don't think you can just assume that others clubs (bigger clubs) would not have become interested. It will be interesting to see what the account say in regards to fee, there is quite a lot of sources reporting that it was quite a bit under 3m plus 250k add on's. No sell-on fee has been mentioned but it would be absolute madness if that was not the case. I suspect we have done the right thing in that regard. Overall, I'm clearly gutted about DT leaving but I'm hopeful the club can do the right thing in terms of using the money to progress and strive to be better rather than accepting mediocrity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Be sound when this is all over and we can get back to talking about Nadir and electro in here tbh, what a slog this is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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