Lex Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I wonder if Sir Alex Ferguson could be tempted to come out of retirement.Could do with someone like him in charge. No chance. He had his time in charge of Scotland. He will never manage anyone again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 It's funny how similar the happy-clapping "just back the team guys!" shtick is at international level and club level.A blind devotion to 'backing the team' as though criticising selections on here or in he ground causes the team to play poorly. Translating into passive aggressive, ever-decreasing angry circles until happy clappers basically celebrate their chosen teams uselessness. It's equally fair to say that the inverse of this gets us no-where either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 It was Smiths 3rd game in charge, thats was the 0-0, then his 7th games in charge was the 1-0 loss at Hampden. Please though, continue trying to make excuses for that. The team against Georgia was Gordon, Murty, Weir, McManus, Alexander, Ferguson, Fletcher, Pearson, McFadden, Miller, Maloney. That team should've beaten Georgia. So, in that campaign that Smith took over from Bertie, what were his other results? How did they compare with Bertie's results? So Smith is to blame for one home defeat, when Bertie handed the campaign to him with a home defeat to Norway, home draw with Slovenia and away draw with Moldova already in the bag, but Smith was the one responsible for the failure? Looking at that team against Georgia, the key omission is an on fire Hutton for Murray. From memory a couple of other first choice picks were missing. Hartley? McCulloch? Just checked Soccerbase. So basically the loss of three key players in Georgia, after a tough home game with Ukraine, fucked us. What was the line up from the excellent performance against Ukraine at home that preceded that fixture? In the game Smith lost away in Ukraine and the game McLeish lost away in Georgia, loss of key personnel seems to be the key reason for losing. Was the Ukraine away game, game two of a double header as well? For a team like Scotland with little quality, the loss of a few key players can knacker us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 We need to play the formation and players that suit our strengths and weaknesses. We are weak at the back so we must play 5 at the back, we can be quick on the break with Burke, Griffiths, McCormack and Richie, and we have good playmakers in Snodgrass, Fletcher, Robertson, Morrison and McArthur. We have the players for an outstanding team if we play to our strengths, Strachan does not do this, he must go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I remember the Ukraine away game. We lost because we absolutely shat it (once again) and turned in a cowardly performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 So, in that campaign that Smith took over from Bertie, what were his other results? How did they compare with Bertie's results? Looking at that team against Georgia, the key omission is an on fire Hutton for Murray. From memory a couple of other first choice picks were missing. Hartley? McCulloch? Just checked Soccerbase. So basically the loss of three key players in Georgia, after a tough home game with Ukraine, fucked us.What was the line up from the excellent performance against Ukraine at home that preceded that fixture?In the game Smith lost away in Ukraine and the game McLeish lost away in Georgia, loss of key personnel seems to be the key reason for losing. Was the Ukraine away game, game two of a double header as well? For a team like Scotland with little quality, the loss of a few key players can knacker us. We lost to a Georgia side featuring numerous uncapped players and a 17 year old keeper with barely an senior games. The rest of your post is just utter bluster. No matter who's in charge we bottle it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 The manager is the problem. Not the players. It's fairly clear to anyone with any brain cells or indeed the ability to look at things objectively. I disagree. Im just sick fed up of hearing it. It's always the managers fault. We've not qualified since 1998, I think our problems are more serious. We should be producing better players IMO. The state of the choices we have at centre half and RB, our under 21s too....?We're in for another few miserable campaigns if they're anything to go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 We lost to a Georgia side featuring numerous uncapped players and a 17 year old keeper with barely an senior games. The rest of your post is just utter bluster. No matter who's in charge we bottle it So they had no pressure on and they won. Hutton, Hartley and McCulloch being replaced for Murty, Pearson and Maloney obviously had an effect on Scotland. Maybe we just don't have enough quality in the squad to cover for injuries in double headers.It may be that if you look through Strachan's squads you'll see the same issues with loss of key players. Then again, maybe not. Just on where McLeish left us in the rankings, he's a better Scotland manager than Strachan. Where did Smith have us in the rankings, given that Belarus results aside, he was great for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: I disagree. Im just sick fed up of hearing it. It's always the managers fault. We've not qualified since 1998, I think our problems are more serious. We should be producing better players IMO. The state of the choices we have at centre half and RB, our under 21s too....? We're in for another few miserable campaigns if they're anything to go by. You're ignoring the crux of the point. Are the players we have good enough to beat Georgia? If your answer to that question is yes, then the players are not the issue and our failure is down to manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 You're ignoring the crux of the point. Are the players we have good enough to beat Georgia? If your answer to that question is yes, then the players are not the issue and our failure is down to manager. Of course they are, but if we had better players it would be a lot easier. Like I said when you have a squad like ours that's pretty fucking poor IMO then you need to be near enough perfect in every single game as there's only 10 of them. That doesn't happen in football. You see teams with better players than other teams not managing to win games every single week. We need to start producing better football players so these games become easier and I don't know how we're going to do that. There's been all this change brought in by Wotte, plans before then by various other folk, the 2020 vision and the like and they all look like they're going to come to nothing. Copying other countries every few years depending on who's successful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Let's not forget, his plan to swing the game in our favour while we were losing in Georgia was to bring on Grant Hanley for Andy Robertson. He shouldn've been sacked there and then on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenlantern Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 See Donald Trump still hasn't learned honesty and humility. That hurt last night and he knows it!"Best we've played in the second half" Wit??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said: Smith led us to a 1-0 defeat at home to Belarus, and if we'd won we'd have qualified. McLeish led us to a defeat away to Georgias U21s, if we'd won we'd have qualified. You can argue all the subjectives all you like, but they cost us qualification with poor results against weaker opposition. It seems like its a mentality issue we'll never get over, and last night was the same. Favourites, in an important game, and we shit ourselves. No we wouldn't, as Norway would still have finished ahead of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 See Donald Trump still hasn't learned honesty and humility. That hurt last night and he knows it!"Best we've played in the second half" Wit??? Genuinely think he was trolling last night after the booing... I still can't believe fans were booing the players, what were they hoping to achieve? Might not like Forrest but don't boo him when he comes on. Lee Wallace getting booed to I heard? Absolutely no need. It's now a matter of when, not if he goes IMO. Unless we somehow manage to win in Slovakia.Not a clue who id like to see get it, IMO it genuinely needs to be someone that gets on with the fans, think that's very important in this job because if it's someone the fans don't take to or like it ends up a disaster. As shown by the fans last night and as shown when Levein was manager and people were booing him and his substitutions. Someone the fans will like and give time to so when the inevitable bad results come along things don't turn into a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Why shouldn't fans boo? That shite last night cost a fortune for people, and their patience with excuses, is wearing thin. Lithuania were the better side, which is in itself no shame; if they play that way going forwards, others will struggle too. The problem is, they wanted it more. Jankauskas played Strachan perfectly, knew his team and plans inside out, and his players responded. It doesn't have to be a four-goal romp to be a success, you know. Tommy Wright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 My gripe with Strachan is he's a smug wee dick who can't see past his favourites, even if they are shite. Why Griffiths wasn't on from the start baffles me. He's playing in the Champions League against some huge teams. He scores goals for fun in the domestic league. It's Lithuania at home, not Argentina away. Play 2 up front and go for it. There's a reason we haven't qualified for anything in about 20 years and it's dropping points in games like last night's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Why shouldn't fans boo? That shite last night cost a fortune for people, and their patience with excuses, is wearing thin. Lithuania were the better side, which is in itself no shame; if they play that way going forwards, others will struggle too. The problem is, they wanted it more. Jankauskas played Strachan perfectly, knew his team and plans inside out, and his players responded. It doesn't have to be a four-goal romp to be a success, you know. Tommy Wright. That's just it, people paid a fortune to watch Scotland and they were booing the players after half an hour, mental, how's that going to help the players play well and get a result that would've sent them home happy and give them value for money? Puts massive pressure on the players and actively helps the opposition. I don't understand 'fans' of any team doing this, see it week in week out, players getting abuse from supporters, how they think that will help the situation is anyone's guess. Save the booing till the games over surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Officer Barbrady Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Genuinely think he was trolling last night after the booing... I still can't believe fans were booing the players, what were they hoping to achieve? Might not like Forrest but don't boo him when he comes on. Lee Wallace getting booed to I heard? Absolutely no need. It's now a matter of when, not if he goes IMO. Unless we somehow manage to win in Slovakia. Not a clue who id like to see get it, IMO it genuinely needs to be someone that gets on with the fans, think that's very important in this job because if it's someone the fans don't take to or like it ends up a disaster. As shown by the fans last night and as shown when Levein was manager and people were booing him and his substitutions. Someone the fans will like and give time to so when the inevitable bad results come along things don't turn into a disaster. How simple are you? The fans dont need a friend in the dugout, they need and want a manager who doesn't insult their intelligence. Strachan was as much of a fan-appointment as there's ever been. Regan delivered him. It's gone to shit. Nothing more, nothing less. Your pandering to players, fans or whoever makes things somehow even worse. But then, things are that bad, that the big bad guys moaning makes you not care. At least you've got Southern Ireland to fall back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 The state of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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