David Cameron

[Cream Cheese]

The man has lost the plot. Clearly doesn't care anymore. Role on WW3.

[Buzz Killington]

[Cerberus]

He's still better than anyone else in the Tory or Labour party.

British politics eh?

[NotThePars]

1 hour ago, Cerberus said:

He's still better than anyone else in the Tory or Labour party.

British politics eh?

 

Is he? He was effective at stealing the Blairite wing of the Labour Party's schtick and had he won the Brexit referendum he'd have potentially went down as one of the bravest and most successful prime minister in decades but he didn't. So he won't be.

[Cream Cheese]

27 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

Is he? He was effective at stealing the Blairite wing of the Labour Party's schtick and had he won the Brexit referendum he'd have potentially went down as one of the bravest and most successful prime minister in decades but he didn't. So he won't be.

This. He'll be remembered as the PM who changed the name of "The Conservative & Unionist Party" to "The Conservative & British Nationalist Party". Never again can the tories preach about unionism. He should really have been an SNP politician, he'd have been a huge success.

[NotThePars]

11 minutes ago, Cream Cheese said:

This. He'll be remembered as the PM who changed the name of "The Conservative & Unionist Party" to "The Conservative & British Nationalist Party". Never again can the tories preach about unionism. He should really have been an SNP politician, he'd have been a huge success.

 

Thing is I don't really know what he actually stood for. He seemed the epitome of a career politician. Someone literally born to be prime minister just because.

[HTG]

He's a fuckin arsehole

[Jambomo]

 

Thing is I don't really know what he actually stood for. He seemed the epitome of a career politician. Someone literally born to be prime minister just because.

Someone I know used the term hobbyist politician and it think it fits perfectly.

Doesn't need the money, doesn't need a career, doesn't have a particularly strong political outlook or desire for the country.

Just someone who wants the recognition and power of the position, uses it to keep their own set happy and can turn their back easily and walk away from it when it doesn't go the right way for them.

[Wee Willie]

9 hours ago, Cream Cheese said:

This. He'll be remembered as the PM who changed the name of "The Conservative & Unionist Party" to "The Conservative & British Nationalist Party". Never again can the tories preach about unionism. He should really have been an SNP politician, he'd have been a huge success.

CC that disnae sound right.

[NotThePars]

3 hours ago, Jambomo said:

Someone I know used the term hobbyist politician and it think it fits perfectly.

Doesn't need the money, doesn't need a career, doesn't have a particularly strong political outlook or desire for the country.

Just someone who wants the recognition and power of the position, uses it to keep their own set happy and can turn their back easily and walk away from it when it doesn't go the right way for them.

 

Aye that sounds bang on to me. 

[Bishop Briggs]

On 9 July 2016 at 12:38, Cream Cheese said:

The man has lost the plot. Clearly doesn't care anymore. Role on WW3.

 

Heid's gone thread for this pish.

 

[ayrshire_nomad]

He's a fuckin arsehole

Kinda hits the nail on the head

[KnightswoodBear]

On 09/07/2016 at 12:38, Cream Cheese said:

The man has lost the plot. Clearly doesn't care anymore. Role on WW3.

 

It's Roll AND WW3, meight.

[THE KING]

Chucked his job to let a brexiter run things...we get Theresa May , a remainer.

[Cream Cheese]

5 hours ago, THE KING said:

a remainer.

Sure she was....

[Bishop Briggs]

9 hours ago, THE KING said:

Chucked his job to let a brexiter run things...we get Theresa May , a remainer.

Cameron chucked it because he is a committed EUphile and did not want to lead the Brexit negotiations. He was humiliated by the EU that gave him nothing of substance in the so-called "renegotiation" of the terms of Britain's membership. Cameron's team took over the Remain campaign and Hibs'd a substantial poll lead. His credibility as PM was in tatters and he had to go. If he hadn't resigned, he would have been subjected to a confidence vote like Corbyn. Resigning allowed him a more dignified exit rather the being forced out by a backbench rebellion.

[Ad Lib]

It's a total myth that David Cameron's renegotiation was a failure.

The concessions on the financial services side mirrored almost exactly the criticisms made, as it happens, by people like Andrea Leadsom before the referendum was held: guarantees for Euro trading in the city of London, veto of financial transactions taxes, opt-outs from further banking integration. All things we now won't be able to guarantee if we leave the EU but still want full access to the single services market.

The immigration concessions went arguably further than any relationship ever negotiated with the EU before while maintaining full access to the single market. They are now off the table and as Switzerland is discovering to its cost, this is not a trade-off in respect of which the EU is minded to compromise.

The cruel irony of people dismissing Cameron's deal as a latter day Munich Agreement is that the drivelsome rhetoric that attacked him directly enabled Brexit, the negotiations of which will be less like Munich and more like Versailles. Arrangements that make both us and the EU worse off for the sake of preventing the disintegration of the organisation where other countries would want a cushy list of exceptions for themselves.

Cameron's humiliating miscalculation was in expectations management. He should have confronted his right wing rather than appeased it. He should have demanded that they bring forward a specific proposal for either the EEA or WTO models of trade as a condition of holding a referendum: make clear to them they couldn't play politics with the indeterminacy of "access to the single market".

[Dunning1874]

3 minutes ago, Ad Lib said:

It's a total myth that David Cameron's renegotiation was a failure.

That's the thing, the concessions he won on the renegotiation were substantial, but it's only politically minded people who take an interest in the workings of the EU who realise that. There's nothing there you can present to the average voter saying 'Look at all the concessions we've got' and put across a simple message of how any of it would improve the UK's position. Putting so much of an emphasis on the renegotiation in the early days of the campaign was a dreadful mistake on Cameron's part.

[strichener]

9 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

That's the thing, the concessions he won on the renegotiation were substantial, but it's only politically minded people who take an interest in the workings of the EU who realise that. There's nothing there you can present to the average voter saying 'Look at all the concessions we've got' and put across a simple message of how any of it would improve the UK's position. Putting so much of an emphasis on the renegotiation in the early days of the campaign was a dreadful mistake on Cameron's part.

keep going with your analysis and you will eventually get to the crux of the issue.  If you are trying to argue for something then it helps if your arguments actually address the concerns of the electorate.  His negotations were a failure, otherwise we would have had an overwhelming majority voting to remain.  The reality is that the EU Institution cannot adapt itself to the needs of each individual country or economy.

[Bishop Briggs]

15 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

That's the thing, the concessions he won on the renegotiation were substantial, but it's only politically minded people who take an interest in the workings of the EU who realise that. There's nothing there you can present to the average voter saying 'Look at all the concessions we've got' and put across a simple message of how any of it would improve the UK's position. Putting so much of an emphasis on the renegotiation in the early days of the campaign was a dreadful mistake on Cameron's part.

The deal had not been concluded and It could have been blocked by the European Parliament in the autumn. The Vice-President of the European Parliament said that it was not legally binding.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3534934/Cameron-s-EU-renegotiation-deal-hammered-local-bazaar-isn-t-legally-binding-says-eurocrat.html

‘At the moment, the whole thing is nothing more than a deal that has been hammered out down the local bazaar,’ he said.

‘The European Union, however, is a community of law, in which there are regulated responsibilities.

‘If the British are going to put all their eggs in one basket, in a promise made like this, which has not yet complied with our clean process of law, them for me, this process of law is more important and preferable.’