Turkey

[dorlomin]

Who is Kemal Attaturk?

 

Short video, not the best but best I could come up with quickly. 

 

 

 

 

The army will be Kemalists, they are pro secular and pro US, pro western anti Islamists, their support is broadly from the cities and the Islamists from the country. The Kemalists and other anti Islamists\liberals have been seeking common ground over opposing the APK, but its very complex. 

[BFTD]

2 minutes ago, forever_blue said:

Getting too involved could knock the stuffing out of them 

Hope somebody neeps it in the bud pronto!

[Bishop Briggs]

Should be lots of cheap Turkish holidays in August and September!  

[forever_blue]

Just now, Bishop Briggs said:

Should be lots of cheap Turkish holidays in August and September!  

What a delight 

[Red 'N Yellow]

Turkey has a history of military coups overthrowing Islamic leaders like Erdogan, the military see themselves as protecting a secular Turkey.

[RandomGuy.]

Folk are inadvertently making the huge error of tweeting #Turkey #Nice and not quite understanding how that looks 

[EdgarusQPFC]

2 minutes ago, Red 'N Yellow said:

Turkey has a history of military coups overthrowing Islamic leaders like Erdogan, the military see themselves as protecting a secular Turkey.

Will this not be the 4th coup in the past 50 year's? 

[Red 'N Yellow]

2 minutes ago, EdgarusQPFC said:

Will this not be the 4th coup in the past 50 year's? 

They've had one pretty much every ten years since the 60s. It's a valued tradition 

[itzdrk]

Sounds like the military are the less bad c***s here.  Hopefully BT cameramen get right in there like a penalty shootout.

[EdgarusQPFC]

2 minutes ago, Red 'N Yellow said:

They've had one pretty much every ten years since the 60s. It's a valued tradition 

This government thats being outsted got in as part of a Coup im sure

[RandomGuy.]

Videos going about showing civilians on the street facing up to the army, chanting about being the Governments soldiers. Can't see that ending well.

[RandomGuy.]

Now the President has made a speech via FaceTime  The modern world is a strange one

[vikingTON]

The military in Turkey have a peculiar role, built into the secular state that Ataturk founded nearly a century ago. They're not just the usual bunch of right-wing reactionaries that you'd expect to be involved in a military coup in most other states: they have their own political ideas and background. Erdogan is a political Islamist who has tried to change the constitution of a stridently secular state (and its military by extension). He has essentially sparked civil war with the Kurds because his political position was threatened by their victory at the ballot box, hence jeapordising his attempts at changing the identity of the Turkish state into a more Islamist form. 

We can't say for sure whether the alternative would be better, but all things considered it'd be quite a good thing if Erdogan and his cronies got turfed out of power. The Turkish military may well pursue a more moderate line in terms of their internal policy against the Kurds and the West would get on quite well with the generals. They've managed to do so many times in the past. 

[Granny Danger]

It was apparently sparked by a referendum agreeing to move Christmas Day to 12 December.

[Dunning1874]

1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:

I have absolutely no idea whats good and what bad in this situation tbh, anyone any clue?

Erdogan is dangerous authoritarian who is censoring the media, arresting people for dissent and attacking secularism so on the face of it removing him is a very good thing, but then again it has the potential to spiral into an absolute bloodbath if his supporters try to resist the coup.

There's also the Kurdish question to consider in this, with the ceasefire inside Turkey completely breaking down in the last couple of years while they've also been bombing the Kurds in Syria, which in turn aids ISIS as the Kurds are the only viable force against them on the ground. All things considered Erdogan would rather have ISIS on the Syrian border than the Kurds - we'll see in time if the military are after an all-out assault on the Kurds inside and/or outside of Turkey, if they want to go after ISIS as well, or if deposing Erdogan and rolling back his constitutional changes while de-escalating with the Kurds is the end game here.

[dorlomin]

Rumours that Erdogan is fleeing to Germany. Just a rumour. 

[Aladdin]

1 minute ago, vikingTON said:

The military in Turkey have a peculiar role, built into the secular state that Ataturk founded nearly a century ago. They're not just the usual bunch of right-wing reactionaries that you'd expect to be involved in a military coup in most other states: they have their own political ideas and background. Erdogan is a political Islamist who has tried to change the constitution of a stridently secular state (and its military by extension). He has essentially sparked civil war with the Kurds because his political position was threatened by their victory at the ballot box, hence jeapordising his attempts at changing the identity of the Turkish state into a more Islamist form. 

We can't say for sure whether the alternative would be better, but all things considered it'd be quite a good thing if Erdogan and his cronies got turfed out of power. The Turkish military may well pursue a more moderate line in terms of their internal policy against the Kurds and the West would get on quite well with the generals. They've managed to do so many times in the past. 

Exactly.  Erdogan has tacitly supported ISIS in Syria and allowed hardliners more and more leeway within Turkey.  I imagine this will be slightly different to the Egyptian coup where a majority will be glad to see him go.

[RandomGuy.]

http://europe.newsweek.com/will-there-be-coup-against-erdogan-turkey-439181?rm=eu

[dorlomin]

Tanks shooting on periscope, allegedly police grouping in Taksim Square, irony. 

[The Ginger Prince]

This is mental. Imagine police Scotland trying to shut the forth road bridge