Jacksgranda Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Just now, Consolidate said: Then vote for UKIP Only if they are standing in your constituency was the point I was making. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaldo Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Daily Mails take on it Not really sure what him being openly gay has to do with anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Only if they are standing in your constituency was the point I was making. Think it's almost inconceivable that any constituency in the UK would not have an anti EU candidate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamdunk Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jamaldo said: Not really sure what him being openly gay has to do with anything. The crucial point is that he is an ex-fencer, clearly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 1 minute ago, Peppino Impastato said: Welshbairn not in the case of a referendum such as this. Parliament became sovereign after harles 1, the point was parliament is sovereign not the monarch, as parliament represents the people. If parliament was to defy the clearly expressed views of the people making parliament and the people in opposite camps you'd have a constitutions crisis the likes of which has not been seen in 400 years. Complete meltdown. It can't happen. The referendum does not give the Government carte blanche to make any deal they want with the EU against the will of Parliament. A hugely ill informed electorate voted by a very narrow margin to leave the EU, but not on what the future relationship with the EU should be. If after going through all the options Parliament finds by far the best option would be to stay in the EU after renegotiating the terms of our membership, then it should be put to a General Election or another referendum. A referendum, which is only advisory anyway, cannot and shouldn't bind all future Governments in changing circumstances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 1 minute ago, WILLIEA said: Think it's almost inconceivable that any constituency in the UK would not have an anti EU candidate As a YES and REMAIN voter I will 100% vote for an anti EU candidate if Article 50 isn't triggered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, Jamaldo said: Not really sure what him being openly gay has to do with anything. Nor being an ex-swordsman, but I'm not sure if they're implying a link. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, WILLIEA said: Think it's almost inconceivable that any constituency in the UK would not have an anti EU candidate Well, we'll have to wait and see, I suppose. I would suggest a candidate for an anti-remain party would stand more chance of winning seats than a series of indeoendent* anti-remainers would. * or even independent Edited November 3, 2016 by Jacksgranda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 18 minutes ago, Consolidate said: Then vote for UKIP Rather simplistic. If UKIP are the only party standing on a leave EU platform and the rest of their policies you fundamentally disagree with (if you can actually find them) then you cannot express your wishes through the ballot box. The idea that everyone that votes for a party, are endorsing their entire manifesto is idiotic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 See now you're rowing back from your demonstrably false position bairn after you ere schooled. No point engaging any further. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: A referendum, which is only advisory anyway. That line is a load of bollocks, it might be written down as such but nobody goes to a ballot box with the understanding that the result will only be upheld if the great and the good agree with it, chaos will ensue if May reneges. Edited November 3, 2016 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 5 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: See now you're rowing back from your demonstrably false position bairn after you ere schooled. No point engaging any further. Whit? lol By your argument the Government would have to change policy every time an opinion poll went against them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Just now, welshbairn said: Whit? lol By your argument the Government would have to change policy every time an opinion poll went against them. The ballot box is not in any way comparable to a fucking opinion poll. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, ayrmad said: The ballot box is not in any way comparable to a fucking opinion poll. Lets' have a vote on opinion polls v ballot box... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ayrmad said: The ballot box is not in any way comparable to a fucking opinion poll. The referendum was a snapshot opinion poll with a very large sample on a specific issue. If you asked the the same question when the reality of the post Brexit options are clear you may well get a very different answer. Should the will of the people be ignored in that case? Edited November 3, 2016 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The referendum was a snapshot opinion poll with a very large sample on a specific issue. If you asked the the same question when the reality of the post Brexit options are clear you may well get a very different answer. Should the will of the people be ignored in that case? Quite! It was David Davis, minister for brexit no less who said " a democracy which can't change its mind is no democracy at all " 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 The whole point of democracy is that you can change your mind, reserve a decision, remove an MP, alter the course of events. This idea that a referendum result was set in stone and must now be passed no matter what is completely undemocratic. At the very least the final deal after negotiations have been concluded should be passed either by parliament or another referendum. It's absolute insanity to commit to a course of action when you do not even know what the course of action will be. What happens if say 2 years down the line 55%, 60%, 65% of the population are against leaving under the terms of the conclusion of the final deal? Leave won the referendum but only by a tiny margin and I think there is enough evidence to suggest that lots of people have or will change their mind when the full repercussions become clearer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 17.4 million people voted leave. More than have voted for any UK government ever. It's hardly a fkn opinion polls. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 17.4 million people voted leave. More than have voted for any UK government ever. It's hardly a fkn opinion polls. Out of interest Is the number of people who voted no also more than have voted for any UK government ever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 The margin of victory for leave was 4% UK wide. Before the vote Farage said if remain won by less than 10% he would consider it unfinished. Since 23rd June several polls have shown that the number of leavers who regret their vote would easily swing a referendum held today heavily towards remain ( and common sense ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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