DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Scenes. To be fair, parties like the SNP and Lib Dems can afford to vote against it to play to their base. I don't think parliament should be blocking the results of a referendum, though. Would imagine virtually every Tory and most Labour MPs will go with it. Labour will Labstain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, Sonsteam of 08 said: The best thing about Brexit being cancelled would not be the extra security, stronger pound, freedom of movement or even the many jobs that would be saved. Nope. The best thing about Brexit being cancelled would be this chap's reaction. https://twitter.com/WantEnglandBack Is that reynards english cousin?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hehawhehaw Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 1 hour ago, DigOutYourSoul said: Some absolutely seething messes on the daily mail. Wow. wit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy Blonde Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Well i've had an immense time reading the Mail comments section today. Absolute rabid messes to a man. Some make those Trump fanatics look reasonable by comparison. Lovely stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 2 hours ago, sergie's no1 fan said: I voted remain but I think it's pretty rotten if the people of the UK voted to leave the EU and the elected MPs were to go against that. Why? Whoever thought a straw poll would be binding is an utter fandan and doesn't understand the essence of parliamentary democracy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Do you think we should have another referendum on the deal? I don't mind either way to be honest. I have stated many times that I am against the political integration and would vote to leave regardless. I am not sure that people that have other agendas are likely to be swayed by tales of poverty and deprivation when they look at their lives at the moment and see "them foreigners" as the problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 The law is nonsense is it? Which law are we speaking about specifically? The UK constitution is in and of itself nonsensical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, strichener said: Which law are we speaking about specifically? The UK constitution is in and of itself nonsensical. Not as nonsensical as this post. The UK Constitution is pretty clear and coherent and has at its heart the primacy of parliament. How is this even contestable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hehawhehaw Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 The UK constitution is not nonsensical. It is designed to suit the Government of the day. Now we have souter going against the snp. The wise men of Germany begging Merkle to prevent Brexit or at least to minimise any damage to the UK and EU. Looks like it's all going schilzuaugen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 1 hour ago, doulikefish said: Is that reynards english cousin?? strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, Cerberus said: strichener Nothing like him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 But surely it's nonsensical to start the process if there is absolutely no information on the deal? The two are (or should be) intrinsically linked. Well the EU have stated that there can be no negotiation until Article 50 is invoked. In negotiating terms, you do not begin with public proclamations of where you can draw lines.It beggars belief that MPs want a say in the triggering of article 50 given that it is the equivalent of opening the interconnecting door between the UK and EU negotiating teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Not as nonsensical as this post. The UK Constitution is pretty clear and coherent and has at its heart the primacy of parliament. How is this even contestable? Is it. So coherent that there wasn't any formal procedures for the formation of a coalition government???As I have already stated, Parliament has already agreed to the adoption of the Lisbon Treaty, including the method for triggering the exit. There will have to be laws formulated to extracate the UK from the EU. It is then that Parliament should be involved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 1 minute ago, strichener said: Is it. So coherent that there wasn't any formal procedures for the formation of a coalition government??? You're confusing constitution with polity. I am not amazed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 The Daily Mail comments are good. Dem immigants taking ma jobs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 48 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Not as nonsensical as this post. The UK Constitution is pretty clear and coherent and has at its heart the primacy of parliament. How is this even contestable? Check the Declaration of Arbroath. England may have signed up to the supremacy of Parliament but Scotland surely didn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Just now, The DA said: Check the Declaration of Arbroath. England may have signed up to the supremacy of Parliament but Scotland surely didn't. Two separate polities, chap. 1688 changed everything and put parliament first, and rightly so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 21 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: You're confusing constitution with polity. I am not amazed. Possibly. However since there is no codified constitution in the UK, you will be hard pressed to show that it is pretty clear and coherent. Perhaps you can teach me the extend to which the Royal Prerogative can be used and which Act(s) of Parliament defines this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Two separate polities, chap. 1688 changed everything and put parliament first, and rightly so. 1688 was pre-Act of Union. Scotland joined in 1707 as an equal partner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, strichener said: Possibly. However since there is no codified constitution in the UK, you will be hard pressed to show that it is pretty clear and coherent. The guts of our constitution is transparent and has been since 1689 when it was declared that parliament is sovereign and everything else is habit. I am astonished that you even try to quibble this. Edited November 3, 2016 by The_Kincardine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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