Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[williemillersmoustache]

4 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

A 'Spanish veto'.

Shoes on the other foot now.

I don't think it can be understated how important this is.  Effectively all 27 have a veto but for there to be a specific Spanish veto on the arrangements for Gibraltar, is hugely significant. Gilbraltarians will be furious and hopefully a large number of ultra-brexit-yoonatics too. 
 

Not that I blame Spain at all you understand, all this shit NI, Gibraltar and us, clear as fucking day pre-Brexit vote that this would be a completely uncontrollable shambles for the UK.  At this rate Britain will be lucky to still have sovereignty over the Isle of Sheppey by 2025. GIRFUY

[MarkoRaj]

 
I was always bewildered why farmers and fishermen were such staunch Brexiteers.

She seems like a complete fud even just going by the tone of those tweets

[MarkoRaj]

Didn't realise how far behind I was, ignore me

[WILLIEA]

[Crùbag]

3 hours ago, kilbowie2002 said:

 

So basically North Korea?

North Yorkshire 2022

[Crùbag]

3 minutes ago, WILLIEA said:

 

[williemillersmoustache]

Not taking the Gib thing well at all

Edited March 31, 2017 by williemillersmoustache
ETA some of the replies to that tweet too, oooft. Brilliant levels of seethe/not understanding

[Fide]

1 minute ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Not taking the Gib thing well at all

[Bishop Briggs]

1 hour ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

A 'Spanish veto'.

Shoes on the other foot now.

It is a proposed veto (in a draft document) for the Spanish to have a veto EU deals with the UK, post Brexit. There is no proposed Spanish veto over the Brexit deal itself.

All Member States, under the EU's Treaties, must ratify deals with non-Member States anyway. Such a specific veto for Spain would set a precedent that other countries would seek to take advantage of.  

The chances of that proposal being included in the final draft, never mind the deal, are zero. But that won't stop the Euro-Nationalists wanking over it.

Edited March 31, 2017 by Bishop Briggs

[Crùbag]

46 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Not taking the Gib thing well at all

OUTRAGE! Slap them down...

[williemillersmoustache]

33 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

It is a proposed veto (in a draft document) for the Spanish to have a veto EU deals with the UK, post Brexit. There is no proposed Spanish veto over the Brexit deal itself.

All Member States, under the EU's Treaties, must ratify deals with non-Member States anyway. Such a specific veto for Spain would set a precedent that other countries would seek to take advantage of.  

The chances of that proposal being included in the final draft, never mind the deal, are zero. But that won't stop the Euro-Nationalists wanking over it.

Do they not have one of those already along with the 27 other member states?

 

[doulikefish]

Spain are top ladz

[Cerberus]

 

 

As much as he is right, why did these fuds vote for it?

 

[Bishop Briggs]

1 hour ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Do they not have one of those already along with the 27 other member states?

 

The final Brexit deal will need to be ratified by all the Member States and the European Parliament. Clause 22 in the EU's draft guidelines is an unnecessary and provocative gesture by Tusk. His re-election is being opposed by Poland's governing Law & Justice Party which is part of the Tories' group in the European Parliament. It's better to get childish ego trips and pettiness over quickly and let Barnier and Davis get on with the serious negotiations.

[williemillersmoustache]

2 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

The final Brexit deal will need to be ratified by all the Member States and the European Parliament. Clause 22 in the EU's draft guidelines is an unnecessary and provocative gesture by Tusk. His re-election is being opposed by Poland's governing Law & Justice Party which is part of the Tories' group in the European Parliament. It's better to get childish ego trips and pettiness over quickly and let Barnier and Davis get on with the serious negotiations.

And threatening the security of the entire continent so they can sell Jam tariff free was a great, mature start was it? I'm sure the Gibraltar question and the veto will be resolved but, it will require concessions. UK is going into these negotiations 3 or 4 nil down and it's all an away tie. 

[Bishop Briggs]

Interesting article by Prof John Curtice in the Grauniad - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/30/scots-back-sturgeon-brexit-polls

"Yet to date little effort has been made to check out this assumption by asking voters in Scotland what kind of Brexit they would like to see. New research published today by NatCen Social Research finally does so – and makes rather sober reading for Scotland’s first minister."

"It turns out that Scots are not so keen on freedom of movement after all. As many as 64% believe that, post-Brexit, anyone from the EU who wishes to live in Britain should have to apply to do so in the same way as anyone from outside the EU. Even more, 72%, think that the same rule should apply to any British citizen who wants to go and live in the EU.

"Unsurprisingly this mood is most prevalent among the minority of Scots who voted to leave the EU, more than 80% of whom would like to put migration between the EU and Britain on the same footing as that between anywhere else in the world and Britain. But it is also relatively widespread among those who voted to remain, more than half of whom take the same view.

"Most voters in Scotland might have voted to remain, but that does not mean that they are so enamoured of the merits of the EU that they necessarily wish to maintain freedom of movement now that the UK is heading for the EU exit.

"That is not to say that Sturgeon has misread voters’ mood entirely. No fewer than 93% express support for allowing EU companies to trade freely in Britain and for ensuring that British companies are able to do trade equally freely across the EU. Even leave voters think this would be a perfectly sensible outcome. But of course what this does mean is that what voters in Scotland want out of Brexit is closer to what the prime minister has in mind than Sturgeon’s vision of what should happen – that is, ending freedom of movement but securing an “ambitious and comprehensive free trade agreement”. It also means, by the way, that attitudes towards Brexit in Scotland are very similar to those in the rest of the UK."

[williemillersmoustache]

7 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

Interesting article by Prof John Curtice in the Grauniad - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/30/scots-back-sturgeon-brexit-polls

"Yet to date little effort has been made to check out this assumption by asking voters in Scotland what kind of Brexit they would like to see. New research published today by NatCen Social Research finally does so – and makes rather sober reading for Scotland’s first minister."

"It turns out that Scots are not so keen on freedom of movement after all. As many as 64% believe that, post-Brexit, anyone from the EU who wishes to live in Britain should have to apply to do so in the same way as anyone from outside the EU. Even more, 72%, think that the same rule should apply to any British citizen who wants to go and live in the EU.

"Unsurprisingly this mood is most prevalent among the minority of Scots who voted to leave the EU, more than 80% of whom would like to put migration between the EU and Britain on the same footing as that between anywhere else in the world and Britain. But it is also relatively widespread among those who voted to remain, more than half of whom take the same view.

"Most voters in Scotland might have voted to remain, but that does not mean that they are so enamoured of the merits of the EU that they necessarily wish to maintain freedom of movement now that the UK is heading for the EU exit.

"That is not to say that Sturgeon has misread voters’ mood entirely. No fewer than 93% express support for allowing EU companies to trade freely in Britain and for ensuring that British companies are able to do trade equally freely across the EU. Even leave voters think this would be a perfectly sensible outcome. But of course what this does mean is that what voters in Scotland want out of Brexit is closer to what the prime minister has in mind than Sturgeon’s vision of what should happen – that is, ending freedom of movement but securing an “ambitious and comprehensive free trade agreement”. It also means, by the way, that attitudes towards Brexit in Scotland are very similar to those in the rest of the UK."

859 people living in Scotland between 5 February and 2 March 2017

Month old, tiny sample, grasping desperate attempts for folk to magically now expect that poll data should be taken seriously, ffs your Grace, do better. 

 

[Bishop Briggs]

4 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

And threatening the security of the entire continent so they can sell Jam tariff free was a great, mature start was it? I'm sure the Gibraltar question and the veto will be resolved but, it will require concessions. UK is going into these negotiations 3 or 4 nil down and it's all an away tie. 

Clause relates to post-Brexit deals. All the Gibraltar issues will be covered in the main Brexit deal. Large parts of Spain depend on British tourist and ex-pat spending. British holiday bookings are up around 40% compared to 18 months ago and hotel companies raised their prices by around a quarter.  Spain would be crazy to use the EU to pick a needless fight over Gibraltar. 

[Bishop Briggs]

2 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

859 people living in Scotland between 5 February and 2 March 2017

Month old, tiny sample, grasping desperate attempts for folk to magically now expect that poll data should be taken seriously, ffs your Grace, do better. 

 

It's not a tiny Most British national opinion polls have samples of around 1000. 

It's a reasonable sample size and the margin of error will be around 3 to 4%.

Learn a bit about polling before making more silly statements like that.

[welshbairn]

Spain: Brexit Britain must pay for expats' healthcare