Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[NotThePars]

6 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

 

Cool. I’m up for that

 

Because I thought “Austerity” in this context referred specifically to the UKs choice to clamp down on public spending in the aftermath of the credit crunch in order to limit the rise in borrowing. A policy which either ignores or accepts the risk of deepening and lengthening the depression by restricting demand.

 

In which case it (“Austerity”) is by definition a monetary policy decision and out of Holyrood’s remit.

 

 

 

I don't think most people discussing it in this context are holding the meaning of austerity to the same rigidity that you are. It's a common term flung about in politics today that's easily understood, if incorrectly, by the majority of the public to mean ongoing budgetary cuts in public services and all levels of government. 

10 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

They had the option for more public spending by raising income tax and unfreezing council tax but refused to do so for years.

 

Plenty of SNP, or indy, supporters have made the argument for years that the Scottish government shouldn't have to raise taxes to offset austerity but then that to me says that they could do something but that they shouldn't out with winning independence. Which I suppose if you're advocating for perpetual referenda or UDI is fair enough but not if biding your time until the polls are in your favour.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

They had the option for more public spending by raising income tax and unfreezing council tax but refused to do so for years.

 

Which may have been a good thing for many but would have no impact on “austerity” as defined in my post of a few moments earlier. I

 

The way this should work is that you declare a different meaning of Austerity and explain how actually under those terms you’re right

 

Didn’t you read the post I was replying to

 

In fact haven’t you had a pointless argument on the internet before

 

This is how a lot of them work

 

[Thistle_do_nicely]

18 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

They had the option for more public spending by raising income tax and unfreezing council tax but refused to do so for years.

wouldn't that just end up with people having to pay more tax in order to maintain the same level of service, though? That's a very hard sell.

[welshbairn]

4 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

 

Which may have been a good thing for many but would have no impact on “austerity” as defined in my post of a few moments earlier. I

 

The way this should work is that you declare a different meaning of Austerity and explain how actually under those terms you’re right

 

Didn’t you read the post I was replying to

 

In fact haven’t you had a pointless argument on the internet before

 

This is how a lot of them work

 

You can take your definition of austerity and stick it up your arse, cuntface.

Am I doing it right?

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, Thistle_do_nicely said:

wouldn't that just end up with people having to pay more tax in order to maintain the same level of service, though? That's a very hard sell.

It's what they've finally done, under pressure.

[Peppino Impastato]

1 hour ago, NotThePars said:

 

Nobody went quiet on anything it just seems that you can’t read or understanding anything without spitting venom when a party you support takes a slagging.

The SNP can halt austerity in this country yes and I think the fact that it took the Greens giving them a kick up the arse to do more than the bare minimum is a sign that they’re not as ruthlessly committed to ending it as their rhetoric suggests. I think Labour believe they could end austerity if they held power in both parliaments, aye.

You can argue all day over what the meaning of “halt” exactly entails like you argue that fleeing the country isn’t craven but there’s ongoing real terms cuts happening that the SNP didn’t want to and haven’t addressed adequately.
 

 

What a surprise to see you lying once again. Or perhaps you struggle with the meaning of the word 'end'.  Westminster has cut Scotland's budget by over 9% since 2010, and given Scotland partial control of one tax.  

 

Even pretend socialist labours super duper budget proposals mitigate only around 20% of these cuts.  So, given you and John McDonnell seem to be the only people in the world who believe the SNP have the tools to end austerity, you're going to have to tell us where this other 80% is going to come from otherwise you're a fkn liar just like corbyn and McDonnell.

 

You may also want to opine on the 184 labour MPs who voted for the latest round of 30 billion worth of cuts while you're doing that and consider, rather than the greens kicking anything, it's slightly coincidental these changes took place after Scotland was given the power to alter tax bands for the first time 18 months ago.

In short you're full of shit and a fkn liar and due us all a detailed breakdown of how you propose the SNP mitigates the other 80% of austerity if you wish to retain any credibility on this issue.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

You can take your definition of austerity and stick it up your arse, cuntface.
Am I doing it right?

It’s not quite what I meant but it’s another tried and tested strategy that’s always popular .

You might want to add a bit of patronising condescension and maybe even a backhanded ethnic slur

Nonetheless you did very well for a Welshman

[NotThePars]

3 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

What a surprise to see you lying once again. Or perhaps you struggle with the meaning of the word 'end'.  Westminster has cut Scotland's budget by over 9% since 2010, and given Scotland partial control of one tax.  

 

Even pretend socialist labours super duper budget proposals mitigate only around 20% of these cuts.  So, given you and John McDonnell seem to be the only people in the world who believe the SNP have the tools to end austerity, you're going to have to tell us where this other 80% is going to come from otherwise you're a fkn liar just like corbyn and McDonnell.

 

You may also want to opine on the 184 labour MPs who voted for the latest round of 30 billion worth of cuts while you're doing that and consider, rather than the greens kicking anything, it's slightly coincidental these changes took place after Scotland was given the power to alter tax bands for the first time 18 months ago.

In short you're full of shit and a fkn liar and due us all a detailed breakdown of how you propose the SNP mitigates the other 80% of austerity if you wish to retain any credibility on this issue.

 

[Peppino Impastato]

2 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

So no answer as to where the other 80% comes from?  Must say I'm surprised.  You're a liar and vote for a party of liars.

[John Lambies Doos]

Moving away from the very competent SNP here, I thought the EU were drafting a statement this week? Anyone know when this is?, also are we expecting one of the chronological tin pot tory speeches too? Sunday nights press review preached a big brexit wk ahead.

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, NotThePars said:

 

To avoid an Ad Lib style discussion over the exact meaning of halt I’ll rephrase it for your benefit: The SNP aren’t as interested in addressing austerity in this country as they claim as evidenced by them not doing anywhere near as much as they could without outside pressure. I’d be interested in hearing you challenge that.

 

So you have changed your argument, fair enough.  I still don’t agree with your assertion but that is a different issue.

FWIW I think the SNP government could do more than it has though I understand the electoral (as opposed to political) reasons it has not done so.

Nonetheless due to the Scottish government’s limited power it is a nonsense to suggest it can come anywhere close to addressing the effects of austerity which is what we are discussing here.

Also, having read the last few posts I am conscious that I am being less offensive than other posters on here and I am uncomfortable with that.

 

[NotThePars]

23 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

So no answer as to where the other 80% comes from?  Must say I'm surprised.  You're a liar and vote for a party of liars.

 

Nah it's just I find a burrito splattered across a windshield approach to yelling at people that laughed at you being the dictionary definition of craven to be quite amusing.

[Peppino Impastato]

55 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

Nah it's just I find a burrito splattered across a windshield approach to yelling at people that laughed at you being the dictionary definition of craven to be quite amusing.

Where is the other 80% to come from liar?  Give us figures.  You say the SNP can end austerity so how do they do that?  Or are you lying?

[Peppino Impastato]

19 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

No I didn't, but glad to see your sense of humour by-pass has been a success...

Yes you did.  You said it would be good if someone killed Nicola sturgeon.  I fail to see the joke.  Did you find the assassination of benazir Bhutto funny?  Gandhi?  JFK?  Or just people who favour self government for Scotland?

[John Lambies Doos]

Yes you did.  You said it would be good if someone killed Nicola sturgeon.  I fail to see the joke.  Did you find the assassination of benazir Bhutto funny?  Gandhi?  JFK?  Or just people who favour self government for Scotland?

It's easy to check. If he did say it then it's totally out of order..

[Peppino Impastato]

3 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

55 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

Yes you did.  You said it would be good if someone killed Nicola sturgeon.  I fail to see the joke.  Did you find the assassination of benazir Bhutto funny?  Gandhi?  JFK?  Or just people who favour self government for Scotland?

It's easy to check. If he did say it then it's totally out of order..

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/250059-cosa-nostra/

[welshbairn]

Entrapment imo. People joke about the Queen, Trump, Boris etc. getting assassinated all the time. Joking about people who actually were assassinated is not a fair comparison.

Edited February 27, 2018 by welshbairn

[John Lambies Doos]

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/250059-cosa-nostra/

Compelling evidence and the thought process of your typical bitter ulster unionist. The funny thing is that the Ulster Unionist are perceived as Irish around the world because no one gives a f**k

[Peppino Impastato]

1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said:

7 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/250059-cosa-nostra/

Compelling evidence and the thought process of your typical bitter ulster unionist. The funny thing is that the Ulster Unionist are perceived as Irish around the world because no one gives a f**k

Yup, it's funny cause these people will and have literally killed to show how British they are and nobody in actual Britain gives the slightest fk about them or sees them as British at all.

Which they're obviously not as northern Ireland isn't part of Britain anyway.

[SweeperDee]

Continuity legislation to be implemented by Scottish government:


https://www.snp.org/statement_by_scotlands_brexit_minister_on_the_introduction_of_the_scottish_continuity_bill