Granny Danger Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Londonwell said: Rumours going around that May has lost her voice authority and credibility and may not be able to lead in debates today FTFY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, Donathan said: With the current make up of parliament (ie no GE to change the arithmetic) the only thing that I think has a prayer is the softest of soft Brexits Norway style EEA deal getting cross party support. That would require an extension of A50 for sure, but I could see most of the Tory party supporting this, apart from the ERG, as well as Labour, the SNP, the Lib Dems, possibly TIG There isn't one Tory that will break ranks never mind the required number (6?). Also Chukka and co didn't quit Labour to then give Corbyn a big win on Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, Donathan said: Furthermore, if May can get a narrow Tory majority in an election then it means the backstop could be binned as she would no longer rely on DUP votes. The new solution would be a hard sea border between Northern Ireland and rUK and Northern Ireland would get a special status in the customs union. Leaving aside the huge "if" of any Tory majority, what is your cunning plan for customs and immigration checks at the hard sea border? And are you really suggesting that NI gets special status but the country with the highest remain vote, Scotland, gets dragged out? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 The issue now is that we have effectively 5 groups: The Brexit ultras who want no-deal; The Tory pro-May group who will snatch at any deal passing to avoid no deal; The soft Brexit group looking for EEA/EFTA/Single Market Membership or equivalent; Hard remainers who will vote against any Brexit of any type (SNP, Lib Dems, TIG, etc); Labour, who will vote against any Tory-led deal, regardless of what's in it. They simply want a catastrophic Brexit that they can blame on the Tories for generations. To get anything through parliament, you need three of these groups to work together to get a majority. Sadly, this is impossible. We are stuck, well and truly stuck. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: Leaving aside the huge "if" of any Tory majority, what is your cunning plan for customs and immigration checks at the hard sea border? That part would be fairly simple, you already get ID checks at the airports and I think the ferries, and I'm sure they do random checks on lorries and cargo too. Much simpler than a land border. Won't happen though, political impossibility and it would probably break the Belfast Agreement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 May's voice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Six amendments have been submitted for tonight but of course Bercow will decide which one(s) will be called. Incredibly none from the Labour front bench; that is pretty staggering. SNP are signatories to an amendment calling for revocation. May said she would have a free vote but it’s being suggested that she doesn’t want a free vote on the amendments. I don’t quite get that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Kejan said: May's voice Making absolutely no difference to the authority of her oration imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Six amendments have been submitted for tonight but of course Bercow will decide which one(s) will be called. Incredibly none from the Labour front bench; that is pretty staggering. SNP are signatories to an amendment calling for revocation. May said she would have a free vote but it’s being suggested that she doesn’t want a free vote on the amendments. I don’t quite get that. She's offered a free vote on the hard core brexity one but not the others AFAIK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 She's broken. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, welshbairn said: She's offered a free vote on the hard core brexity one but not the others AFAIK. Makes her statement about a free vote after last night’s defeat seem duplicitous. Shouldn’t be surprised by that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Tariff proposals getting absolute pelters from all sides. If it wasn’t being overshadowed by everything else this cack handed piece of nonsense would be a scandal in its own right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 In the middle of this crisis, there is a huge element of black comedy in the fact that the 'natural party of Government' is digging itself further into a hole almost on an hourly basis. Any moment now we can expect Andrea Leadsom to produce a tumbler and the Scrabble letters, enquiring 'Are you there Mrs Thatcher ?' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 A truly horrendous PMQ's today, as two pitiful party leaders fiddle while the UK burns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieson87 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 There isn't really anything that anyone can say in Parliament that will lead to a "eureka" moment, or get rapturous applause from the house and the whole nation. So why would anyone bother. As sad as that sounds, there is nothing out there to be gained at this moment in time by sticking your neck out for what you believe in, large parts of the nation want different things. It's little wonder there is inspiring leadership. There is nothing to unite the nation behind. Depressing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Detournement said: There isn't one Tory that will break ranks never mind the required number (6?). Also Chukka and co didn't quit Labour to then give Corbyn a big win on Brexit. I'm not suggesting this as a Labour fronted idea, I'm suggesting it could happen if May abandons her deal and champions a soft Brexit. 1 hour ago, The Skelpit Lug said: Leaving aside the huge "if" of any Tory majority, what is your cunning plan for customs and immigration checks at the hard sea border? And are you really suggesting that NI gets special status but the country with the highest remain vote, Scotland, gets dragged out? Far from impossible that the Tories opt for this if they win a majority in a hypothetical GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 A hard border at Gretna would not be popular here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Detournement said: A hard border at Gretna would not be popular here. May have to be the case if a future independent Scotland joined the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee_62 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Donathan said: May have to be the case if a future independent Scotland joined the EU. technology though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, dee_62 said: technology though Let's be clear, a hard border at Gretna would be every bit as much of a disaster as a hard border in Ireland. The whole technology argument is absolute bullshit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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