Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, Detournement said:

A journalist finally acknowledges that the bill doesn't rule out No Deal at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/05/boris-johnson-election-brexit-delay-extension

I don't even see how he can be forced to resign. They will need to VONC him.

That's a bit weak. The Tory rebels don't want to put Corbyn in power, I doubt they'd be bothered about the Leader of the Opposition forcing through an extension to avoid a hard brexit, their stated aim.

[vikingTON]

8 minutes ago, Detournement said:

A journalist finally acknowledges that the bill doesn't rule out No Deal at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/05/boris-johnson-election-brexit-delay-extension

I don't even see how he can be forced to resign. They will need to VONC him.

Oooft, bewailing the Financial Times and 'Tory pollsters'for being biased sources of right-wing disinformation, before using the back of a fag packet analysis of the deputy political editor of The Spectator to back up your latest, totally hamfisted effort to put the Mumbleclown in office for five seconds. 

You're all over the place as usual here. 

 

[Detournement]

We all know you are permaraging you don't need to post to prove it.

[ForzaDundee]

Whatever happened to the socialist case for the leaving the EU?

 Remember there used to be very strong arguments made about how the EU was a scam by corporations and globalists. I used to be very won over by those arguements. Globalism itself used to be viewed with suspicion as it clearly harms workers yet now if you are against globalism you are basically seen as a racist. Seems left-wing types have swung massively in favour of the EU just because of their aversion to the likes of Farage and Boris.

I'd like to think that Brexit is a working class revolt against the corporate elite but I think at the end of the day it's more a rejection of the chattering classes of the metropolitan middle classes and their warped view of the world. In a sort of nihilist way I'd love from there to be a second in/out referendum and for it to go the way of out again. Imagine the tears from the Twitter dwellers and wierdos who "march" through London with EU flags.

[Detournement]

9 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

That's a bit weak. The Tory rebels don't want to put Corbyn in power, I doubt they'd be bothered about the Leader of the Opposition forcing through an extension to avoid a hard brexit, their stated aim.

To put the extension through he would have to be PM.

 

[Detournement]

5 minutes ago, ForzaDundee said:

Whatever happened to the socialist case for the leaving the EU?

http://isj.org.uk/the-internationalist-case-against-the-european-union/

Edited September 5, 2019 by Detournement

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, Detournement said:

To put the extension through he would have to be PM.

 

The article doesn't say that, only that Johnson would have to request that the Queen accepts Corbyn's signature rather than his own. Bit fanciful anyway. If the opposition hold together, the Tories are fucked. You should be celebrating.

[Detournement]

3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

The article doesn't say that, only that Johnson would have to request that the Queen accepts Corbyn's signature rather than his own. Bit fanciful anyway. If the opposition hold together, the Tories are fucked. You should be celebrating.

Boris still has the card of not signing the extension.

Requesting that the Queen gets Jezza to do it means Boris recommending Corbyn for PM. To paraphrase Avon Barksdale you can't be half a Prime Minister.

Edited September 5, 2019 by Detournement

[Granny Danger]

5 minutes ago, ForzaDundee said:

Whatever happened to the socialist case for the leaving the EU?

 Remember there used to be very strong arguments made about how the EU was a scam by corporations and globalists. I used to be very won over by those arguements. Globalism itself used to be viewed with suspicion as it clearly harms workers yet now if you are against globalism you are basically seen as a racist. Seems left-wing types have swung massively in favour of the EU just because of their aversion to the likes of Farage and Boris.

I'd like to think that Brexit is a working class revolt against the corporate elite but I think at the end of the day it's more a rejection of the chattering classes of the metropolitan middle classes and their warped view of the world. In a sort of nihilist way I'd love from there to be a second in/out referendum and for it to go the way of out again. Imagine the tears from the Twitter dwellers and wierdos who "march" through London with EU flags.

Jeremy Corbyn tried to argue the socialist case for Brexit.  I actually sympathise with his rationale but not the ultimate conclusion.  The debate in the Labour Party has been largely obscured, but Corbyn’s position is not just opposed by right-wing c***s like Watson but many others who are far more politically aligned to Corbyn himself.

I find the whole of your last paragraph bizarre but rest easy in the thought that a further referendum would lead to a Remain vote.  In Scotland it would exceed the 62% who voted Remain first time around.

 

[welshbairn]

7 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Requesting that the Queen gets Jezza to do it means Boris recommending Corbyn for PM.

Are you sure about that? The journalist doesn't suggest it, only alludes to possible rifts in the opposition.

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

Are you sure about that? The journalist doesn't suggest it, only alludes to possible rifts in the opposition.

I don't know for sure but i'm think he EU have some sort of procedure concerning who can rock up and sign legal documents on behalf of a member state.

 

 

[vikingTON]

41 minutes ago, Detournement said:

We all know you are permaraging you don't need to post to prove it.

And we all know you're an alias account after your Anthony C. Pick nonsense got eviscerated in a previous guise. 

Sit in the corner then while the adults in the room are talking. 

[dorlomin]

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

A journalist finally acknowledges that the bill doesn't rule out No Deal at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/05/boris-johnson-election-brexit-delay-extension

I don't even see how he can be forced to resign. They will need to VONC him.

If the First Lord of the Treasury resigns Her Majesty has the leisure to select another to fulfil the role and command the respect of the House or if none is found to ask for parliament to dissolve. Should the right horrible member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip no longer wish to fulfil the role the leader of the opposition could put forward a name who can command the confidence of the House, this would appoint the anti No Deal coalition that has been discussed here several times. They could easily sign the extension then chose to use parliament to navigate their chosen direction out of the mess, be that a referendum, an election or what ever. I have said this half a dozen (fucking) times. Resignations and votes of no confidence surrender the initiative totally in a county that appears to currently have a remain majority over all (though very questionable in first past the post seats).

Having a law against murder does not stop Boris from murdering someone so yes it is possible he will steer himself into a constitutional clusterfarce of ignoring the law (should it become such). Should Boris ignore the Burt Benn Bill and not seek an extension it would be immediately subjected to court action. When the courts rule against the government it would be a huge shitstorm for them to refuse to follow the rule of law and there are a few options that would open up, but for the most part it would likely lead to a vote of no confidence in parliament then we are back at paragraph one. 

Thundercunt has lost the House, he cannot control the agenda. 

I have been thinking about this and the options he seems to have are either con Labour into a 15th October election or let the legislation pass then when parliament rises seek a judicial review to test if it violates Royal Prerogative (this may be a lot more likely than people realise), it may remove from the Crown the right to set foreign policy, but there is a lot of long standing shadyness with this over Europe. The Crown via the PM has control of foreign affairs not parliament and this would restrict that. But there is a long history of precedent of this not being the case with Europe. Its shady and anyone who has a full answer is either full of shite or an expert in that area of law. 

Edited September 5, 2019 by dorlomin

[Detournement]

2 minutes ago, virginton said:

And we all know you're an alias account after your Anthony C. Pick nonsense got eviscerated in a previous guise. 

Sit in the corner then while the adults in the room are talking. 

I'm not. The idea of having an alias account is actually quite funny. Why would anyone bother?

A for adults I have no idea what you are like in real life but your persona on here is reminiscent of a tedious university fresher who is desperate for attention so that's a bit rich.

 

[Detournement]

2 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

If the First Lord of the Treasury resigns Her Majesty has the leisure to select another to fulfil the role and command the respect of the House or if none is found to ask for parliament to dissolve. Should the right horrible member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip no longer wish to fulfil the role the leader of the opposition could put forward a name who can command the confidence of the House, this would appoint the anti No Deal coalition that has been discussed here several times.

 

So Jezza puts himself forward. Brilliant.

[welshbairn]

30 minutes ago, Detournement said:

I don't know for sure but i'm think he EU have some sort of procedure concerning who can rock up and sign legal documents on behalf of a member state.

 

 

I doubt they'd f**k about with the Queen.

[dorlomin]

1 minute ago, Detournement said:

So Jezza puts himself forward. Brilliant.

If he can command the House. I have said several times that in such circumstances a neutral person with nothing to gain politically would be the easiest way to build a coalition across the many competing interests needed to build a majority in the House. 

Should Mr Corbyn place himself forward and not be able to command the House it would lead to No Deal. If he and his advisers thought that having tried and failed to extended A50 and pissing off the Brexiters and also placed his own ambition ahead of the common good and ended up with the worst Brexit thus pissing off his remain supporters be a place he would feel confident going into a general election, then good luck to him.

I have my doubts. 

[Detournement]

There isn't a single neutral person in the house.

Neutral people don't become MPs.

[AUFC90]

I wouldn't want May's deal not to be put to voters because democracy (ha ha ) means that they should have the choice.
My worry would be that many vote for it on the premise that its better than no deal and delivers a brexit to honour the vote. It is still a terrible deal that is only marginally better than no-deal because of the backstop. May's "Red lines" meant that getting a good deal was basically impossible because she was too concerned about the splits in her own party and the ERG/DUP. 

The backstop is terrible for the Scottish economy. A neighbouring competitor in Northern Ireland with access to the single market. The SNP will never support it and rightly so.

[Jambomo]

7 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

9 hours ago, Jambomo said:

I wouldn't want May's deal not to be put to voters because democracy (ha ha ) means that they should have the choice.
My worry would be that many vote for it on the premise that its better than no deal and delivers a brexit to honour the vote. It is still a terrible deal that is only marginally better than no-deal because of the backstop. May's "Red lines" meant that getting a good deal was basically impossible because she was too concerned about the splits in her own party and the ERG/DUP. 

The backstop is terrible for the Scottish economy. A neighbouring competitor in Northern Ireland with access to the single market. The SNP will never support it and rightly so.

I agree, the deal is awful for Scotland full stop. I only mean that the deal with the backstop might be seen as marginally better because it tries to help keep peace in Ireland.