welshbairn Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Another problem with Norway is their controlled border with the EU, which could mean trouble for Ireland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Vote incoming on the contempt motion. Government tried to amend it and refer the issue to a committee if they lost but they've just lost that vote. This a bit of a legal shitfest. Very grey area in regards to what happens. Normal convention would be to suspend the member but if they are acting on behalf of the government, who knows. There's a possibility Theresa May can be sent to Big Ben until they comply with parliament.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Ooft battered. Government have been held in contempt for the first time in history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, harry94 said: Ooft battered. Government have been held in contempt for the first time in history. Dodgy precedent imo if the Government have publish complete confidential legal advice on international treaties before they're signed. Edited December 4, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Ramp up of project Fear is hitting Scottish independence referendum levels. Ooft battered. Government have been held in contempt for the first time in history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Just now, welshbairn said: Dodgy precedent imo if the Government have publish complete confidential legal advice on international treaties. I don't think so. Parliament are voting for a final decision, they need the tools to do their job and that comes from an economic assessment and the response of their constituents. If this was a sensitive issue that could impact future negotiations, I see your point but we're nearing the end of the road and the negotiation is done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 The Contemptative Party. lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Now the main course.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Will someone brick Mr Speaker in the face please, thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, harry94 said: I don't think so. Parliament are voting for a final decision, they need the tools to do their job and that comes from an economic assessment and the response of their constituents. If this was a sensitive issue that could impact future negotiations, I see your point but we're nearing the end of the road and the negotiation is done. What if the legal advice points out some wording that the EU haven't picked up on that could give the UK an advantage? The EU have still to ratify the agreement. Could be one word in 585 pages. Edited December 4, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Dodgy precedent imo if the Government have publish complete confidential legal advice on international treaties before they're signed. Absolute bollocks. Parliament would not ask for that to be published unless it was in the national interest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Just now, welshbairn said: What if the legal advice points out some wording that the EU haven't picked up on that could give the UK an advantage? The EU have still to ratify the agreement. You’re not half spouting some absolute nonsense today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Absolute bollocks. Parliament would not ask for that to be published unless it was in the national interest. Really! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Who will have the biggest heads gone when brixt finally gets binned? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevieda Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I volunteer to go into immediate and robust talks with the Icelandic Foreign Minister.Ask her if she can twerk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: What if the legal advice points out some wording that the EU haven't picked up on that could give the UK an advantage? The EU have still to ratify the agreement. Could be one word in 585 pages. I've seen this put out as the one hypothetical scenario that people are worried about but I really doubt that we've found a magic loophole that has outwitted all the European legal experts. There's been nothing that any legal observer has come up and the language on exiting the backstop is ridiculously stringent and hasn't just been thrown together at a whim. If there was something there of a sensitive nature, there are mechanisms to take it to Starmer and say 'Look, we've identified this particular maneuver as a vital tool...please let us embargo this part or we'll let everyone know we've had this conversation and publicly slate you to f**k'. What is likely to be in this report is that there are going to be huge difficulties in negotiating the future trade relationship and we're in a shit negotiating position whatever happens. That's what the government are so afraid of. This was always going to be a 'Brexit in name only' betrayal but this brings it forward and can make the backbenchers nuclear now as they can't really hide from their batshit constituents who want WTO rules. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Cherry's so much more effective than Blackford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, harry94 said: I've seen this put out as the one hypothetical scenario that people are worried about but I really doubt that we've found a magic loophole that has outwitted all the European legal experts. There's been nothing that any legal observer has come up and the language on exiting the backstop is ridiculously stringent and hasn't just been thrown together at a whim. I doubt it too, my concern is more about the precedent it sets for future negotiations with other parties. What if, say, Corbyn was negotiating privatisation nationalisation of the Railways in a minority government and was forced to reveal their legal advice and strategies to resistant private companies? Edited December 4, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Just now, welshbairn said: I doubt it too, my concern is more about the precedent it sets for future negotiations with other parties. What if, say, Corbyn was negotiating privatisation of the Railways in a minority government and was forced to reveal their legal advice and strategies to resistant private companies? Then he's obviously not carrying the support of parliament if they are derailing () it and likely wouldn't be PM anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I doubt it too, my concern is more about the precedent it sets for future negotiations with other parties. What if, say, Corbyn was negotiating privatisation of the Railways in a minority government and was forced to reveal their legal advice and strategies to resistant private companies? If Corbyn tried to privatise the railways his legal advice and sanity would surely be called into question? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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