welshbairn Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 1 hour ago, NotThePars said: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275 The replacement for ObamaCare is going to be called "The World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017" Sorry to say it's not the official plan endorsed by Trump. It's an alternative bill suggested by Senator Pete Sessions, whoever he is. The GOP plan is boringly called "The American Healthcare Act." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Trump's playing nice to China over Taiwan is paying off: Quote The Trump-branded businesses planned in China include spas, massage parlors, escort services... http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/322892-china-offers-preliminary-approval-to-38-new-trump-trademarks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 He's tweeted how much he respects women on IWD. The Daily Show twitter feed is kind of pissing all over that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Two notes regarding Obamacare and any potential replacement: 1. The people complaining about how insurance companies are going to make more are financially illiterate. Obamacare is in the process of destroying any possible way for companies to provide insurance for those of us who don't get it through work and don't qualify for government programs. 1/3rd of the counties in America are down to one provider, and they claim to be losing money on a bunch of those counties. I personally need companies to be able to turn a profit. 2. People are talking about loads of folks losing insurance. I'm taking a wait and see approach to that as what the government and media said about Obamacare was so far off from reality. One point I will make is that even for the people who qualify for subsidies on the Obamacare exchanges, they still face massive deductibles. How much good is "free" insurance to someone making $20,000/yr if they still face a $5,000 medical bill? Deductibles have skyrocketed under Obamacare. That person making $20k might be able toswing paying a $2k deductible. Even if some people do lose insurance, assuming the costs can be put down others are going to be getting insurance that won't put them into debt. There are two sides. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Of course it is; why wouldn't it be? We now live in an alternative reality that means you experience all the confusion and paranoia of hallucinagetic drugs without the benefits of the girl sharing it with you wanting to get undressed and freaky. What? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Two specific changes that will really help me personally: 1. A separate pool for high risk patients that don't get coverage through their job or a government program. Under our pre-Obamacare system these people were screwed. I am in favor of getting them coverage, but Obamacare basically did it on my back. I think it was something like 5% of Americans pre-Obamacare that purchased insurance individually. We were all shoved onto the Obamacare exchanges, along with the people who were uninsurable. The goal was to get more healthy, uninsured Americans to sign up through the threat of a fine. This was supposed to balance out the market. It didn't work. A fairer way would be the separate pool for the uninsurable, and have the government subsidize this pool through general tax receipts. That spreads the burden to fix a problem over all of society, rather than on a small segment that includes me. 2. A national private insurance market rather than state by state. I live in an unhealthy state with a low population. If I were in a larger and more healthy market my prices wold hopefully go down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 20 minutes ago, Deplorable said: Two specific changes that will really help me personally: 1. A separate pool for high risk patients that don't get coverage through their job or a government program. Under our pre-Obamacare system these people were screwed. I am in favor of getting them coverage, but Obamacare basically did it on my back. I think it was something like 5% of Americans pre-Obamacare that purchased insurance individually. We were all shoved onto the Obamacare exchanges, along with the people who were uninsurable. The goal was to get more healthy, uninsured Americans to sign up through the threat of a fine. This was supposed to balance out the market. It didn't work. A fairer way would be the separate pool for the uninsurable, and have the government subsidize this pool through general tax receipts. That spreads the burden to fix a problem over all of society, rather than on a small segment that includes me. 2. A national private insurance market rather than state by state. I live in an unhealthy state with a low population. If I were in a larger and more healthy market my prices wold hopefully go down. Or you could just go the whole hog of spreading the risk equally by funding healthcare through general taxation. If healthy young people don't bother with health insurance until something happens and insurance companies are forced not to penalise them for having a pre-existing condition, of course premiums will be high. The public option would have mitigated most of the problems of Obamacare, but the Republicans, including Joe Lieberman who pretends to be a Democrat, vetoed it for ideological reasons as it sounds like "socialized medicine". Any system the Republicans push through will have massive tax subsidies anyway, so why not be pragmatic instead of hypocritical and just have a national health insurance plan funded alongside personal taxation? If people wanted more than essential cover they could divert their contribution to a private insurer and top it up. And no doubt private insurers could compete with the Public Option for basic cover. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Trump's playing nice to China over Taiwan is paying off: The Trump-branded businesses planned in China include spas, massage parlors, escort services... http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/322892-china-offers-preliminary-approval-to-38-new-trump-trademarksNow you can f**k Chinese whores and get a Mexican to pay for them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Meet the Hundreds of Officials Trump Has Quietly Installed Across the Government https://www.propublica.org/article/meet-hundreds-of-officials-trump-has-quietly-installed-across-government Trumps loonies, lobbyists, conspiracy theorists and trolls. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I would like to see ACA directed towards something like German healthcare. Universal health care will happen one day, Republicans and Democrats want it but drug companies and insurance companies need to be reigned in from charging and doing whatever they want. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 10 hours ago, Cerberus said: I would like to see ACA directed towards something like German healthcare. Universal health care will happen one day, Republicans and Democrats want it but drug companies and insurance companies need to be reigned in from charging and doing whatever they want. Oddly, it's the people - the Swampys of this world - that seem most opposed to it. The libertarian tendency is strong in the USA - "ain't no government man gonna kill my grandma with medicine", and all that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Oddly, it's the people - the Swampys of this world - that seem most opposed to it. The libertarian tendency is strong in the USA - "ain't no government man gonna kill my grandma with medicine", and all that. I was absolutely shocked by the strength of feeling on this. My brother in law is sound as f**k and generally a bright, switched on, left leaning in most respects chap. Even he (who is fully in support of a proper government system) had a concern about doctors basically deciding not to treat old people once they reached a certain stage.Whatever fucked up propaganda has been perpetuated in the states - it's worked very well. I couldn't believe I had to explain that this wasn't a thing over here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 26 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Whatever fucked up propaganda has been perpetuated in the states - it's worked very well. If I get prostate cancer in the US the odds of being alive in 5 years is 97.2%. In the UK it's 83.2%. https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/articles/concord-2.htm We always wonder where foreigners get the idea that people are dropping dead for lack of medical care across the US. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 If I get prostate cancer in the US the odds of being alive in 5 years is 97.2%. In the UK it's 83.2%.https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/articles/concord-2.htm We always wonder where foreigners get the idea that people are dropping dead for lack of medical care across the US. Poor people are chief. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 If I get prostate cancer in the US the odds of being alive in 5 years is 97.2%. In the UK it's 83.2%.https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/articles/concord-2.htm We always wonder where foreigners get the idea that people are dropping dead for lack of medical care across the US. There will be rates that we compare better and some we don't.But we all know that you will get the best shot here no matter your background (to as close an extent as is possible).I've got quite severe crohns disease (diagnosed at 11) and would be absolutely fucked in the states. I'm on an injection that when I started on it a few years ago cost around 800 quid per pop. I've been on one a week for the last few years and it's worked brilliantly.Pre existing condition. f**k off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 12 hours ago, Cerberus said: I would like to see ACA directed towards something like German healthcare. Universal health care will happen one day, Republicans and Democrats want it but drug companies and insurance companies need to be reigned in from charging and doing whatever they want. We aren't going to see any major reform right now, because any changes to Obamacare have to be passed using budgetary maneuvers unless they can get 8 Democrat votes in the Senate. A lot of conservatives pimp Singapore's system as a more market based alternative to getting everyone covered. I'm not sure what's the best idea myself other than that I definitely don't favor a British style system considering the state of our VA hospitals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, pandarilla said: There will be rates that we compare better and some we don't. But we all know that you will get the best shot here no matter your background (to as close an extent as is possible). I've got quite severe crohns disease (diagnosed at 11) and would be absolutely fucked in the states. I'm on an injection that when I started on it a few years ago cost around 800 quid per pop. I've been on one a week for the last few years and it's worked brilliantly. Pre existing condition. f**k off. I think you are overestimating the odds you'd be fucked in the US. I've know two people in my life who had that disease. Neither were from rich families. Neither do rich jobs as an adult. Both had the surgery where large portions of their colons were removed. I can't say I'm close enough to either to know their financial situation, but I don't notice anything that's obviously off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I think you are overestimating the odds you'd be fucked in the US. I've know two people in my life who had that disease. Neither were from rich families. Neither do rich jobs as an adult. Both had the surgery where large portions of their colons were removed. I can't say I'm close enough to either to know their financial situation, but I don't notice anything that's obviously off. Maybe I am overestimating how much I'd be fucked. But an expensive treatment has given me a good few years health after a few surgeries. The costs are huge and my tax contributions don't come close to covering it. That I do know.I also know that as much as my illness affects my life I never need to worry about paying for treatment. It just doesn't come into it. The thought of worrying about finances on top of it all is horrendous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Yeah, your condition would affect your life decisions here in a way it doesn't in the UK. You'd be limited to jobs with the proper insurance plans. And you'd have to keep a bit of a nest egg to cover COBRA costs (if you lose a job with insurance the law says the insurance company has to keep covering you under the same plan so long as you pay the full premium) if you found yourself inbetween jobs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 59 minutes ago, Deplorable said: If I get prostate cancer in the US the odds of being alive in 5 years is 97.2%. In the UK it's 83.2%. https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/articles/concord-2.htm We always wonder where foreigners get the idea that people are dropping dead for lack of medical care across the US. Life Expectancy UK 80.54 Life Expectancy US 79.68 And our healthcare is free at the point of service. Imagine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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