Granny Danger Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 2 hours ago, JamieThomas said: "I'm the President, and you're not". Presumably the author missed out the "Nyer nyer nyer nyer" after that. The c**t's 70 years old, for f**k's sakes. Whatever someone's views are on the US and the US Presidency, I think most of us would recognise the importance of the office. Trump has devalued that significantly across the world. There will be many Trump supporters who will not be interested in anything outwith their own borders but any right thinking US citizen will surely be embarrassed by his behaviour on the world stage. His refusal to shake Merkel's hand was an incredibly low point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 When it comes to a vote I think enough Republicans will support the replacement healthcare bill. If that happens then Trump will be lumbered with its effects, he won't be able to pass the buck on it - it will be his baby. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 6 hours ago, Granny Danger said: When it comes to a vote I think enough Republicans will support the replacement healthcare bill. If that happens then Trump will be lumbered with its effects, he won't be able to pass the buck on it - it will be his baby. If the House passes the Bill it will go to the Senate who will reject it and send it back to the House, and so on for months.The right wing/libertarians of the GOP hate it because it still means State intervention like guaranteeing people with pre-existing conditions and teenagers/early twenties health insurance. The moderates don't like it because it means 24 million will be taken out of health insurance. The Republicans have had 7 years to work out a plan while sabotaging Obamacare and have rushed this bill together in a few weeks. I can only think Trump hopes the bill won't pass and will be put on the back burner and he'll be able to blame Obama as healthcare steadily falls apart. Otherwise he'll be blamed for breaking all the promises to the poor fools who voted for him. The rational thing to do would be to keep Obamacare and fix the obvious defects, but that's not going to happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Looks like its going right to the wire on this bill.7.30pm our time for the vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Trump has said he will wash his hands on the matter if it doesn't pass. He can't lose. Even if it doesn't pass he can say he tried to help, blame "the swamp" and go back to playing golf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Cerberus said: Trump has said he will wash his hands on the matter if it doesn't pass. He can't lose. Even if it doesn't pass he can say he tried to help, blame "the swamp" and go back to playing golf. He can't lose? What absolute push. Along with the wall, repealing Obamacare was the big promise. Republican majority in the House, Republican majority in the Senate and this Republican President can't deliver. This is lose lose for Trump. I'm fucking delighted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 He can't lose? What absolute push. Along with the wall, repealing Obamacare was the big promise. He's never struck me as a man for whom breaking big promises would be a source of great worry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 He's pulled the bill, or shat the bed in the parlance of his forefathers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 The best thing possible to happen is that it passes and the Trumpets realise they've been utterly screwed and vote for a Democrat majority in 2018. Unless you're looking after an American family on an average wage or are a bit poorly of course. If you're rich you'll be quids in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 32 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: He can't lose? What absolute push. Along with the wall, repealing Obamacare was the big promise. Republican majority in the House, Republican majority in the Senate and this Republican President can't deliver. This is lose lose for Trump. I'm fucking delighted. He doesn't care either way. He's just there to get rich. Don't believe his push. Anyway, vote postponed. He was probably going to lose heavily. It's a good day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 So the healthcare is another thing that he's not doing? He doesn't work very hard, really. Probably not used to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 So the healthcare is another thing that he's not doing? He doesn't work very hard, really. Probably not used to it. Golfing at the weekends though .... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Trump embarrassing himself yet again. Trying to blame the Democrats for what's happened. Only the stupidest of Trump supporters will buy his bullshit, I wonder what his approval rating will be like in 2 or 3 weeks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Trump embarrassing himself yet again. Trying to blame the Democrats for what's happened. Only the stupidest of Trump supporters will buy his bullshit, I wonder what his approval rating will be like in 2 or 3 weeks? Isn't that a lot of people, though? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 As an aside, the Democratic leadership are completely uninspiring. I'm sure there are decent, capable and inspiring folk within the Democratic ranks but whilst the old guard continue to control the leadership they won't get a chance. To maximise the benefits of Trump's ongoing disasters the Democrats need people who will offer a different vision and can sell that vision; the likes of Pelosi and Schumer don't fit that bill. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) Genuine question on healthcare in the US - has anyone from any side suggested a 'better' alternative? It seems Obamacare was unpopular, and the GOP version is a non-starter. With the healthcare/insurance industry so powerful - I read somewhere it's comparable in % of GDP terms to the oil industry in Russia - is it realistic to ever have a system which is fair and affordable to ordinary Americans? Edited March 24, 2017 by Zetterlund 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: As an aside, the Democratic leadership are completely uninspiring. I'm sure there are decent, capable and inspiring folk within the Democratic ranks but whilst the old guard continue to control the leadership they won't get a chance. To maximise the benefits of Trump's ongoing disasters the Democrats need people who will offer a different vision and can sell that vision; the likes of Pelosi and Schumer don't fit that bill. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-on-trump-the-destroyer-w473144 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Zetterlund said: Genuine question on healthcare in the US - has anyone from any side suggested a 'better' alternative? It seems Obamacare was unpopular, and the GOP version is a non-starter. With the healthcare/insurance industry so powerful - I read somewhere it's comparable in % of GDP terms to the oil industry in Russia - is it realistic to ever have a system which is fair and affordable to ordinary Americans? The Libertarian bit of right wing Republicans are suggesting a totally free enterprise model. People get together in large groups and approach insurance companies as a collective and ask for a quote for everyone, taking into account pre-existing conditions etc but meaning the same premium for everyone. Sounds communist to me. America's weird. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 BBC website headline playing right into Trump's (small) hands. "Trump blames Democrats...", exactly the headline he was hoping for. Lazy, lazy journalism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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