cmontheloknow Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said: The proposal is nothing to do with youth development, and everything to do with maintenance of a presence if the twins can hitch a lift into another league system elsewhere. well if it speeds their exit up... every cloud and all that! Edited June 7, 2020 by cmontheloknow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGafraidh Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 13 hours ago, NathanQP said: And Shankland Who oddly enough ended up at United eventually too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesser Is More Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 This idea will ruin football in the long run, they can't see it and the worst of it is they don't care. What an attitude. This is what we want and this is what you're being given. We need boards to tell then we don't want this. Find another way of developing your players and stop signing so many foreigners. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post an86 Posted June 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2020 I honestly don't think anyone who suggests this understands football. They might watch football and support a team, but they don't actually understand the fabric of the game and what makes it tick. Competitive football is about two teams turning up to beat each other. Those clubs each represent a city, town, district, country or cause. People are emotionally involved in that. Those eleven players are representing one of those things. For ninety minutes, you invest everything in it and switch off from reality. It matters. There can be a car load of away fans, but what is representing them on the park matters as much to them as Real Madrid does go their fans. When you introduce reserve teams, you bring in a situation where one team cares. Sure, you'll have fans of the big club club liking to see the youngsters do well, but does it hurt them when they lose? Do they feel elated when they win? No. If you bring forward a situation where a team can win a league and nobody is emotionally invested, nobody is having the party of their lives and, frankly, nobody cares, what's the point? 31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Aye, folk seem to be missing the point that developing youngsters for the future of your team and retaining competitiveness using experience is a part of the balance of competitive team sport. Leave all of the other moral stuff aside, from a fairness of competition viewpoint, this idea is out of line. Why the f**k should anyone get a crutch to help them maintain the current and future strength* of their side with no requirement to balance one with the other?* that being the theory, which is of course bullshit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, an86 said: When you introduce reserve teams, you bring in a situation where one team cares. Sure, you'll have fans of the big club club liking to see the youngsters do well, but does it hurt them when they lose? Do they feel elated when they win? No. Now Hibs are doing a heel turn? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 This has to be pushed through as explained on BBC scotland yesterday when you get into the fine details you really see what sense it makes. Ah, we have another troll. Marvellous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 I'm always curious about how anything gets "pushed through" by the SPFL board, considering the voting structure. Doncaster dishing out wedgies and noogies, or are we beyond that now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williebraveheart Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 50 minutes ago, NCAC said: This has to be pushed through as explained on BBC scotland yesterday when you get into the fine details you really see what sense it makes. Enlighten us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Guys, FYI the Sonstrust has just posted the following statement which will be conveyed to the Dumbarton FC Board ahead of any discussion and vote on the proposals to restructure the leagues including the introduction of Colt teams. THE SONSTRUST would like to reaffirm its opposition to the idea of ‘colt teams’ being introduced into the SPFL League system. In a consultation conducted in 2018, 89% of Trust members voted against the idea of having Colt teams play in our lower leagues, and it is also the unanimous position of the Sonstrust Board. We would therefore firmly oppose any league reconstruction proposals which introduced colt teams into the bottom tier. We believe the democratic principle of ‘one club, one team’ should be upheld, and to see the lower tier devalued into little more than a development league for the top two sides in Scotland to test their youth against is something we could not support under any circumstances. This opportunistic attempt to use the crisis in Scottish football to shoehorn their development sides into the lower leagues, with the promises of guaranteed ticket sales and joining fees should be recognised as no more than a bribe – one that compromises the integrity of the competition. We believe that whatever financial benefit can be obtained by admitting colt teams into the league will be outweighed by the loss of revenue and goodwill from our supporters who overwhelmingly oppose the idea. The low attendances and boycotts at Challenge Cup fixtures involving colt teams both at The Rock and at many other grounds across Scotland show that there is little appetite to see the introduction of colt teams into the league. The Sonstrust will therefore be making firm representations to the Club in opposition to any reconstruction proposal involving colt teams being introduced into the league setup. No matter the financial gain, the Club should not sells its soul by voting for such a proposal and risk antagonising its supporters who have been incredibly generous to the club over the past few months, rallying around and contributing financially to help ensure the future of our club. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB_Bino Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Find another way of developing your players and stop signing so many foreigners (and those from other areas of the UK). Spot on [emoji1319] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick1867 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 5 hours ago, NCAC said: This has to be pushed through as explained on BBC scotland yesterday when you get into the fine details you really see what sense it makes. f**k off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 18 hours ago, NCAC said: This has to be pushed through as explained on BBC scotland yesterday when you get into the fine details you really see what sense it makes. Whilst you're obviously at it, it tends to be the detail that trips any of these wizard wheezes up. The ex-players and pundits normally comment on situations based on the headlines, and haven't made any effort to look at the details, let alone question them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, an86 said: If you bring forward a situation where a team can win a league and nobody is emotionally invested, nobody is having the party of their lives and, frankly, nobody cares, what's the point? They do it in other leagues. Real Madrid reserves reached the Spanish Cup Final in 1980 and got to play in the Cup-winners' Cup the following year. Bayern Munich once played their reserve team in the Cup and Hertha Berlin reserves also reached a Cup final. (Of course their leagues are structured differently and Spanish fan culture is a bit different.) It's not for the benefit of the game or spectators. It's for the benefit of the bigger teams. They basically use them as we use u21 or reserve matches, only given a different status of opposition. The big big difference is that fan culture in the UK is so much more about local clubs. I get the impression that a fan of, say, Lyon, would, given the choice, rather France win the World Cup than Lyon win the French Cup. That's not the case here. To give two clubs, who already have a massive advantage, the further advantage of getting their young players to play in a competitive league, coupled with the carrot they can offer players of guaranteed League matches to prise them away from other Scottish clubs, is abhorrent. I would have thought anyone with aspirations of breaking into the top two would be against it the most - I could see some of the smaller clubs thinking there could be a slight bump in crowds from Old Firm fans wanting a change but surely the price is too high. On top of which, what happens if, say, Celtic Colts are in with a shot of promotion in March? Does the first team loan out a number of fringe players before the window closes to try to guarantee it? Edited June 8, 2020 by bluearmyfaction 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 The window is closed before you get to March 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazil85 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 17 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Guys, FYI the Sonstrust has just posted the following statement which will be conveyed to the Dumbarton FC Board ahead of any discussion and vote on the proposals to restructure the leagues including the introduction of Colt teams. THE SONSTRUST would like to reaffirm its opposition to the idea of ‘colt teams’ being introduced into the SPFL League system. In a consultation conducted in 2018, 89% of Trust members voted against the idea of having Colt teams play in our lower leagues, and it is also the unanimous position of the Sonstrust Board. We would therefore firmly oppose any league reconstruction proposals which introduced colt teams into the bottom tier. We believe the democratic principle of ‘one club, one team’ should be upheld, and to see the lower tier devalued into little more than a development league for the top two sides in Scotland to test their youth against is something we could not support under any circumstances. This opportunistic attempt to use the crisis in Scottish football to shoehorn their development sides into the lower leagues, with the promises of guaranteed ticket sales and joining fees should be recognised as no more than a bribe – one that compromises the integrity of the competition. We believe that whatever financial benefit can be obtained by admitting colt teams into the league will be outweighed by the loss of revenue and goodwill from our supporters who overwhelmingly oppose the idea. The low attendances and boycotts at Challenge Cup fixtures involving colt teams both at The Rock and at many other grounds across Scotland show that there is little appetite to see the introduction of colt teams into the league. The Sonstrust will therefore be making firm representations to the Club in opposition to any reconstruction proposal involving colt teams being introduced into the league setup. No matter the financial gain, the Club should not sells its soul by voting for such a proposal and risk antagonising its supporters who have been incredibly generous to the club over the past few months, rallying around and contributing financially to help ensure the future of our club. More of this please from other fan groups, it is absolutely spot on. Well done Sonstrust, I hope SMISA take note in providing something similar to St Mirren. (I believe SMISA need to agree anyway before St Mirren would be allowed to vote yes) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthespider Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Hugh keevins on radio Clyde saying this is fantastic and must go through... the excitement of playing at ibrox and parkhead would be fantastic....loads of fans ...great for Scottish football in these terrible times ....had to turn off ...scared this is getting a lot of media . Hope loads of clubs are going to tell them to get lost . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthammer Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Found out today that if any other Premiership club wanted to introduce a colt team as part of this the the rangers "innovation" project, they would need to start in the HL or LL and not be given access to the SPFL automatically. Strange how this 8 year old outfit are redesigning the future of Scottish football, yet will not be able to guarantee their own continuing (?) ability to survive unaided by the SPFL in the longer term. They should be unequivocally told tae GTF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipsy Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 07/06/2020 at 12:14, ftk said: Why dont Rangers or Celtic start 2 new team brands (Glasgow Bears and Glasgow Bhoys for eg) at the bottom of the lowland pyramid. Build a small terraced stadium for them to play their reserve/youth teams. They would probably attract decent crowds and if they rised through the leagues nobody could complain. Could even be a money spinner for them with different branded merchandise for them to sell. Ownership rules could be a problem but that probably would be overcome easily with a decent lawyer. Shouldn't Sevco have done this when they used a dead club's name? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Yip; the Colts will be playing at Ibrox and Parkhead, just as happens in the Irn Bru / Wafer Cup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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