Time is SURELY up for Richie Foran.

[Caley Shaun]

Right peeps, first of all, this is a replacement for my other thread which had personal insult to a club legend so I've worded it in a better way, it was crazy of me to be so nasty to a legend.

 

As I said in the other thread, I was quiet for long enough, hoping that things would turn but last week was moment that I'd had enough and today was moment that all confidence was lost in this team of rejects, not one can hold their head up.

Its so obvious that Richie has lost the dressing room AND vast majority of supporters.

Any other club would have sacked him long ago so come on Kenny, show some guts and axe this man, ONE win in TWENTY TWO is abysmal and you know it otherwise why question the gaffers future??

Get Charlie Christie in as caretaker until end of season and see if we can salvage this otherwise we are down in a few weeks.

For me, I'd have Csaba Laszlo, Alan Stubbs or, as I've said before, Jim Duffy as manager for next season, Paul Sheerin a good shout too.

 

I really hoped Richie would succeed but he's failed miserably but has no balls to resign yet he "stood in the corridor and watched good people lose their jobs" after the last relegation, which was caused by, ACTING TO LATE sacking Brewster.

[YassinMoutaouakil]

I'll be pretty sad if Caley do go down, they have quite a nice kit this season.

[C4mmy31]

That's the problem with giving a club legend the managers role, 9/10 times they fail and it ends up damaging their reputation within the support, they also tend to be shown more loyalty as a "thank you" for their playing career by which time the damage done is irrepairable........

 

 

[paranoid android]

I'm just going to say this: for a manager/coach who's side have been bottom or close to bottom of the league all season, Foran has had a fairly easy ride from the press.

[Highland Capital]

I'm trying not to bite here but these constant threads calling for managers to go looks a bit sad. You've done it for all of the last few manager's we've had (including Butcher right after he was promoted in 2010). It's almost like you're waiting for form to turn so you can call for them to go. Managers getting sacked seems a bit of a strange obsession for you, especially given you don't attend matches. Also, referring to people you don't know by their first name like they're a personal friend of yours is weird.

 

That's all I have to say on this matter, thank you and goodbye.

 

[timomouse]

I'm trying not to bite here but these constant threads calling for managers to go looks a bit sad. You've done it for all of the last few manager's we've had (including Butcher right after he was promoted in 2010). It's almost like you're waiting for form to turn so you can call for them to go. Managers getting sacked seems a bit of a strange obsession for you, especially given you don't attend matches. Also, referring to people you don't know by their first name like they're a personal friend of yours is weird.
 
That's all I have to say on this matter, thank you and goodbye.
 

But, to play devils advocate, maybe Foran is just genuinely pish?

[Caley Shaun]

19 minutes ago, timomouse said:

 

But, to play devils advocate, maybe Foran is just genuinely pish?

 

This is totally the case, its just this ass Highland Capital, he hates me, god knows why as he hasn't even met me!!!

 

Its simple, 1 win in 22 IS sackable form so I am right to want him sacked, more so than any other that I've called for.

I wish I knew how to block Highland Capital as he constantly picks on my posts :(.

[Sheep62]

I blame Derek McInnes and Aberdeen FC for the current predicament of ICT

[Jamaldo]

I think ICT should go after the Raith Rovers manager as a replacement.

[frankthetank22]

Can ict even afford to sack him, the board handed him a FOUR YEAR CONTRACT that will still need to be paid up?

 

RF could quit and walk away but that would seem financially crazy, to him and his family, imo with no other work guaranteed!

I do know that he's recently completed the sale of his house in Inverness, so he could be preparing to leave (or maybe that was happening anyway, just saying)

[CityDave]

1 hour ago, Sheep62 said:

I blame Derek McInnes and Aberdeen FC for the current predicament of ICT

After Tansey, it might be a while before Aberdeen sign another one of our players.

[Jarballs]

Unsure if it's bad etiquette to copy posts from another thread as I barely ever contribute to discussion on P&B but I feel this may be more appropriate here:

 

Yep, we are rancid. Not even annoyed anymore, to use a cliché the league doesn't lie. Richie Foran on a 4 year contract was an incredible move from the board, longest contract we've ever given anyone I believe, be it player or manager. It's incredible because we lost so many really good players for bugger-all largely due to the fact that they weren't offered decent contracts. Fair enough, a few of them wouldn't have signed regardless but I'm willing to bet that the majority would have taken an improved deal with perhaps a minimum fee clause or some other sort of arrangement and we'd at least have got a few quid for them. The board has to answer for us going down, money has continually been coming into the club as we've been punching above our weight for a while, be it Europa League, the cup win or just generally doing more with less. None of that has been put anywhere near the team. The most worrying thing is that they will either have to pay a fortune to sack Foran at the end of the season due to his lengthy contract or stick with him. I'd go with the latter to be honest, as daft as that might sound. It's unlikely that such an inept board will have any sort of relegation clause in Richie's contract, would prefer to give him a chance in the Championship rather than squander more cash to bin him off and bring in f**k knows who else

 

If I had the energy I would indeed be seething

[CityDave]

4 minutes ago, frankthetank22 said:

Can ict even afford to sack him, the board handed him a FOUR YEAR CONTRACT that will still need to be paid up?

 

RF could quit and walk away but that would seem financially crazy, to him and his family, imo with no other work guaranteed!

I do know that he's recently completed the sale of his house in Inverness, so he could be preparing to leave (or maybe that was happening anyway, just saying)

It was quite a commitment from the board, I'm sure they knew the risks as did Richie Foran and with even less money available to bring in new players. I'm more concerned about the clubs finances than what's happening on the pitch right now and I'm not so sure about the level of investment coming into the club. I think this has been happening for a few years and it looks like its either really starting to bite (I believe the problem was already there the season we finished 3rd and won the cup) or our balancing act to keep the wages high enough to fend of other clubs to keep our core players has toppled.

The board trying to maintain Premiership status on even less money and with an inexperienced manager is now seen as a gamble that hasn't paid of, the difference between maintaining and failure is so marginal, now the club is set to lose out financially.

As for Richie Foran the decision to depart could come down to him and his family and I think he will walk away after the last game, it will be interesting to hear afterwards what he has to say.

Would the club want to hold onto a manager that has seen the club relegated? If they do then there are people at the club who are not telling us what's really going on as they would have an understanding of the situation the management team and the players have to perform under. Question is what situation?

 

 

 

 

[accies1874]

Inverness is probably my favourite day out, and I've had nothing but praise for them since their promotion in 2010. They have been absolutely terrible this season, though, and their performance at NDP earlier this season was one of the worst I've ever seen a team have against Accies. Appointing Foran on such a long contract was ludicrous, and it appears that they'll pay the price for it.

[CityDave]

17 minutes ago, accies1874 said:

Inverness is probably my favourite day out, and I've had nothing but praise for them since their promotion in 2010. They have been absolutely terrible this season, though, and their performance at NDP earlier this season was one of the worst I've ever seen a team have against Accies. Appointing Foran on such a long contract was ludicrous, and it appears that they'll pay the price for it.

In years gone by we had a similar attitude approach to each game and the season that Accies currently have. The idea that no one wants you in the top league and it gives the team something to prove, to fight for, don't give up. I think with us gradually we have ourselves accepted and been accepted by most folk as a part of the top flight scenery and we've stopped trying so the whole reason and motivation has lessened. We've got complacent. It shows also in the type of player we have been signing.

[CityDave]

9 hours ago, Caley Shaun said:

Right peeps, first of all, this is a replacement for my other thread which had personal insult to a club legend so I've worded it in a better way, it was crazy of me to be so nasty to a legend.

 

As I said in the other thread, I was quiet for long enough, hoping that things would turn but last week was moment that I'd had enough and today was moment that all confidence was lost in this team of rejects, not one can hold their head up.

Its so obvious that Richie has lost the dressing room AND vast majority of supporters.

Any other club would have sacked him long ago so come on Kenny, show some guts and axe this man, ONE win in TWENTY TWO is abysmal and you know it otherwise why question the gaffers future??

Get Charlie Christie in as caretaker until end of season and see if we can salvage this otherwise we are down in a few weeks.

For me, I'd have Csaba Laszlo, Alan Stubbs or, as I've said before, Jim Duffy as manager for next season, Paul Sheerin a good shout too.

 

I really hoped Richie would succeed but he's failed miserably but has no balls to resign yet he "stood in the corridor and watched good people lose their jobs" after the last relegation, which was caused by, ACTING TO LATE sacking Brewster.

I don't understand the last sentence. Richie Foran was a January window signing by Terry Butcher and was one of many 'who stood in the corridor' like Grant Munro and Ross Tokely at the end of the season..

We had over half a season to rescue our SPL position, Brewster went at the right time. Terry Butcher could have easily walked by failing to keep us up but he didn't the board kept faith in him and the result was a complete turn around which lead to some very successful times for the club.

I'm actually glad we have never had a board who have knee jerk reactions to every crisis, its paid of for us most of the time so far.

Its easy to get along when life is good, but when you have a crisis then you see what people are really made of.

[RedAndYellow]

8 hours ago, C4mmy31 said:

That's the problem with giving a club legend the managers role, 9/10 times they fail and it ends up damaging their reputation within the support, they also tend to be shown more loyalty as a "thank you" for their playing career by which time the damage done is irrepairable........

 

 

Yep that can happen but to be fair since Archiebald has taken over at thistle he has only enhanced his reputation and the fans love for him, so it can work well sometimes. 

[alsy]

9 hours ago, Caley Shaun said:

Right peeps, first of all, this is a replacement for my other thread which had personal insult to a club legend so I've worded it in a better way, it was crazy of me to be so nasty to a legend.

Fair play to you for this.

In terms of us going down, I've been convinced it was happening since the 3-0 defeat at Hamilton, which was one of the worst ICT performances I've ever witnessed. It's taken me longer to become convinced that Foran needs to go: I'd just accepted that the four year deal - a crazy decision for any untested manager, btw - meant that he'd be with us for the foreseeable and hoped that he'd be able to develop as manager in the Championship and rebuild properly. It's become increasingly clear, though, that he's completely out of his depth - having come in claiming that he had a clear vision of how he wanted the team to play, he's subsequently worked his way through multiple systems, discarding his own signings for months on end having barely given some of them a chance, and playing established players hopelessly out of position. His interviews have also become less coherent, and more deluded - witness yesterday's 'an official has killed us' statement, for example. Last week, I found myself wishing for the first time that he'd just put his resignation in, after sitting through a performance where certain senior players just seemed to have given up; yesterday, that feeling become even stronger after seeing the players, all of whom really seemed to be fighting for the cause, hung out to dry by a system that made it impossible for them to sustain any meaningful pressure on Motherwell and led to them eventually collapsing again, having worked hard to get back into the game. I just don't think he's capable of seeing what he needs to do to build a team that can challenge in the Championship, and so he has to go. 

I was completely naive at the start of the season, and despite reservations about the length of contract, quietly thought that the appointment might be a shrewd one; that the senior players who had proven themselves to be top six players over the previous years would provide stability and reliability, and that it would relatively straightforward for Foran to build a more direct and attacking system upon those foundations than Hughes had seemed willing to do. Foran was rushed through his badges, apparently, but I didn't think that was important at the time: I underestimated the value of proper experience and training for a manager, probably out of cynicism and boredom with the carousel of journeymen managers' names that comes round every time a Scottish job comes up. That was ridiculous, in hindsight: I couldn't do my own job properly if I hadn't had sufficient time and training to prepare me for it, so why should Richie Foran be any different? Umpteen supporters, of other clubs and of our own, saw this and called this for exactly what it was: the reckless choice of the cheap option. I just hope that our board's hands aren't now so tied financially that they can't come to some sort of arrangement that allows Foran to be relieved of his duties.     

[frankthetank22]

Was the length of the contract given to RF not in some way to compensate for reducing his wage as (the highest paid) player. 

I'm no expect with budgets but it was told to me (there's a few ict fans at my work) that the shifting of RF's wage from the playing budget to the coaching budget was beneficial to ict.  RF was on a substantial wage in his last season as a player with a couple of years to go on it too. I think asking/expecting him to walk away is naive and rather cheap, if the board (who appointed him) now want him gone, they should sack him and pay him off.

[jagster]

Can ict even afford to sack him, the board handed him a FOUR YEAR CONTRACT that will still need to be paid up?
 
RF could quit and walk away but that would seem financially crazy, to him and his family, imo with no other work guaranteed!
I do know that he's recently completed the sale of his house in Inverness, so he could be preparing to leave (or maybe that was happening anyway, just saying)

Allegedly in the process of building a new house up here as he sees his future in Inverness one way or the other