Boo Khaki Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) I can't see how an s35 would stand up, as it's clear after Lady Haldane's ruling and the rejections of the multitude of 'poison pill' amendments that the GRC reforms do not modify reserved law in any way, and if Westminster chooses not to recognise reformed GRC's issued in Scotland then that is entirely a matter for them. Westminster does not currently recognise GRC's in any case, so it's not as if this tramples over a pre-existing piece of Westminster legislation. Edited December 22, 2022 by Boo Khaki 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Sabre rattling. The last convulsions of this corpse of a Tory government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 hours ago, spongeheid15 said: BBC bias thread for this pish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 41 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: I'll admit to being one of the misanthropes who generally describes Scotland in negative terms, which I usually put down to the dreich, miserable climate, but just once in a blue moon something happens that reminds me we're no actually a bad bunch at all. Thanks to the 86 MSP's who saw right through the lies, slander, absolutely baseless hysterical bullshit about the sky falling in, and voted to make life a wee bit easier for a minority group. Well played. What a lot of pish. Common sense right out of the window. Embarrassing -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: What a lot of pish. Common sense right out of the window. Embarrassing In what way? Be specific about your issues with this Bill please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Just now, Wee Bully said: In what way? Be specific about your issues with this Bill please. In every way, and absolutely not. It’s as clear as day what this is and there’s no winning with anybody that supports it. The same arguments and sound bites, people convincing themselves they are the good guys and the progressives when they’re living in their own wee delusional worlds SNP / Sturgeon are a total embarrassment now, coming from someone who was their biggest supporter only 3/4 years ago. This will not go down well -9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, doulikefish said: Alba heads have exploded Good news for zombies on a diet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 minute ago, 1320Lichtie said: This will not go down well Only with the sorts of losers who would re-criminalise homosexuality tomorrow if they could get away with it, or as most other folk refer to them, Alba Da's and Tories. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: In every way, and absolutely not. It’s as clear as day what this is and there’s no winning with anybody that supports it. The same arguments and sound bites, people convincing themselves they are the good guys and the progressives when they’re living in their own wee delusional worlds SNP / Sturgeon are a total embarrassment now, coming from someone who was their biggest supporter only 3/4 years ago. This will not go down well Is anyone surprised to see 1888Likktie outing himself as a seething, mouth breathing transphobe? No, not one person is surprised. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Just now, J_Stewart said: Is anyone surprised to see 1888Likktie outing himself as a seething, mouth breathing transphobe? No, not one person is surprised. And there it is…. You know it’s all a lot of bullshit deep down, but telling yourself it’s not and resorting to calling people bigots is the only argument you’ll ever see from the ‘good guys’ -10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: Only with the sorts of losers who would re-criminalise homosexuality tomorrow if they could get away with it, or as most other folk refer to them, Alba Da's and Tories. Embarrassing comment. Sure the biggest voice against this within the SNP is infact a homosexual woman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: And there it is…. You know it’s all a lot of bullshit deep down, but telling yourself it’s not and resorting to calling people bigots is the only argument you’ll ever see from the ‘good guys’ 1 minute ago, 1320Lichtie said: Embarrassing comment. Sure the biggest voice against this within the SNP is infact a homosexual woman. What a fucking state to get into Why on earth are you so angry about this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: And there it is…. You know it’s all a lot of bullshit deep down, but telling yourself it’s not and resorting to calling people bigots is the only argument you’ll ever see from the ‘good guys’ What're your actual concerns then? That's multiple posts you've made - having already been asked - and you've yet to give anything remotely approaching a reason (let alone a valid one) as to why it's "a lot of pish" and "embarrassing". Back up your assertions, or expect to be accused of being a bigot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 hours ago, razamanaz said: Does Kate Forbes not get a vote on the trans bill when she is on maternity leave? There is no proxy voting system at Holyrood, however, their Standards, Procedures, and Public Appointments Committee last month recommended they pilot a trial system through next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: What a fucking state to get into Why on earth are you so angry about this? Maybe he’s a doctor that makes a killing in overtime sitting on gender dysphoria panels? As far as I can see, they’re about the only ones with a viable claim to be annoyed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 28 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: In every way, and absolutely not. It’s as clear as day what this is and there’s no winning with anybody that supports it. The same arguments and sound bites, people convincing themselves they are the good guys and the progressives when they’re living in their own wee delusional worlds SNP / Sturgeon are a total embarrassment now, coming from someone who was their biggest supporter only 3/4 years ago. This will not go down well They passed a more or less identical bill in Ireland in 2015 and I haven't heard of hoards of beardy men in dresses invading ladies toilets, or any other bad effects on women. Feel free to put me right if I'm wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They passed a more or less identical bill in Ireland in 2015 and I haven't heard of hoards of beardy men in dresses invading ladies toilets, or any other bad effects on women. Feel free to put me right if I'm wrong. Scotland is now country number 19 to de-medicalise the transitioning process. 350m people live in countries with such legislations; Scotland isn’t a pioneer here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 The rape clause/WASPI women Tories have genuine concerns about hard won women's rights is it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 42 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: In every way, and absolutely not. It’s as clear as day what this is and there’s no winning with anybody that supports it. The same arguments and sound bites, people convincing themselves they are the good guys and the progressives when they’re living in their own wee delusional worlds SNP / Sturgeon are a total embarrassment now, coming from someone who was their biggest supporter only 3/4 years ago. This will not go down well These seem like fairly non specific objections tbh. I sympathise with some of the feelings and concerns expressed by some women. However, I have some anecdotal knowledge of both child protection, violence and sexual violence against women as a close relative of mine spent her career working in this field. And this legislation will have the square root of f**k all effect on predatory men and sexual offenders and their ability or propensity to offend. None. But it will confer rights upon some of the most marginalised and vulnerable minority groups in society. I don't have a dog in this fight but it does seem to me to be one of the most scrutinised, consulted upon and debated pieces of legislation in history. That doesn't make it by definition good but, you can't argue that it hasn't been thought through or properly debated or subjected to a rigorous democratic process. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 51 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Embarrassing comment. Sure the biggest voice against this within the SNP is infact a homosexual woman. That may be true, but it doesnt make her right. 6 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: These seem like fairly non specific objections tbh. I sympathise with some of the feelings and concerns expressed by some women. However, I have some anecdotal knowledge of both child protection, violence and sexual violence against women as a close relative of mine spent her career working in this field. And this legislation will have the square root of f**k all effect on predatory men and sexual offenders and their ability or propensity to offend. None. But it will confer rights upon some of the most marginalised and vulnerable minority groups in society. I don't have a dog in this fight but it does seem to me to be one of the most scrutinised, consulted upon and debated pieces of legislation in history. That doesn't make it by definition good but, you can't argue that it hasn't been thought through or properly debated or subjected to a rigorous democratic process. Agreed, 100% - predators will continue to do their awful work, but those people suggesting that this "opens the floodgates" to these guys are tinfoil hatted bampots. Its much the same as those religious nutters who didnt want "the poofs" and "the lezzers" to be allowed to marry either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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