Oor Nicola Sturgeon thread.

[GTee]

32 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said:

Yes, but the DRS scheme seems a bit of a faff.

Don't know what that is. But Scotland does get lots of water. Scotland also is very windy, has lots of other natural resources. No problem with sharing this. I'm pretty sure we get the benefits of financial services or something. Because we are clearly too wee, too poor and too stupid to self govern.

[Antlion]

9 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

Both Scotland and England stopped being countries in any meaningful sense of the word in 1707.  Since then we've become so interwoven that partitioning us is pointless and painful.

This from someone who blindly worships at the altar of the UK - a country which has partitioned various countries around the world and still insists on partitioning Ireland and breaking up the EU. Quite the gall.

Edited February 26, 2023 by Antlion

[Billy Jean King]

14 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

Both Scotland and England stopped being countries in any meaningful sense of the word in 1707.  Since then we've become so interwoven that partitioning us is pointless and painful.

What we need is better governance all round - which was what Holyrood was set up for.

Good luck down the golf club when you announce England ceased to be a country centuries ago

[Binos]

14 hours ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said:

Yes, but the DRS scheme seems a bit of a faff.

Is that the formula 1 thing

[welshbairn]

15 hours ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said:

Yes, but the DRS scheme seems a bit of a faff.

When I was a kid we used to go around finding empty bottles in the park and bins to take back to a shop where we'd get enough cash to buy fags. This scheme seems unnecessarily complicated and costly, back then they'd send the bottles back with the next delivery van and they'd reuse them, like milk bottles. Same later on in Amsterdam when we'd buy a crate of Grolsch and get a refund when we took the empties back.

Edited February 26, 2023 by welshbairn

[Binos]

11 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

When I was a kid we used to go around finding empty bottles in the park and bins to take back to a shop where we'd get enough cash to buy fags. This scheme seems unnecessarily complicated and costly, back then they'd send the bottles back with the next delivery van and they'd reuse them, like milk bottles. Same later on in Amsterdam when we'd buy a crate of Grolsch and get a refund when we took the empties back.

Unnecessarily complicated and costly is the modern way

[Salt n Vinegar]

4 hours ago, Binos said:

Unnecessarily complicated and costly is the modern way

On a DRS issue, anyone know what happens with plastic milk cartons? We get 2 deliveries a week. Are the dudes on the van meant to collect them? Good luck chasing them down street in the slightest breeze. At the moment we put them in our recycling bins, but to Hell with that at 20p a throw. 

[GTee]

Remember being in Prague for a Scotland game about 1999. I'm sure there were two prices on the crates of beer. One for taking the empty bottles back and one for not taking them back.

[GTee]

Pretty sure it was 1p or 2p for returning a bottle of Hays and Bon Accord bottles back in the day in Aberdeen. Enough for single fags from the icer.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Murdo Fraser panting about ‘itll come crashing down tomorrow’ type stuff. Bad news ahead?

[carpetmonster]

5 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Murdo Fraser panting about ‘itll come crashing down tomorrow’ type stuff. Bad news ahead?

Aye, he’s going to make a TikTok of himself punching his cardboard cutout of Mickey Beale 

[oldbitterandgrumpy]

3 hours ago, GTee said:

Pretty sure it was 1p or 2p for returning a bottle of Hays and Bon Accord bottles back in the day in Aberdeen. Enough for single fags from the icer.

3d. Not 1p or 2p, 3d. If you were born after the 60’s you’d unlikely to know what 3d is. 

[Leith Green]

7 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Murdo Fraser panting about ‘itll come crashing down tomorrow’ type stuff. Bad news ahead?

He probably follows Wings over Scotland - looks the type

[Goomba]

7 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Murdo Fraser panting about ‘itll come crashing down tomorrow’ type stuff. Bad news ahead?

Bad news?  Only if you're a partitionist.

For most of us, the implosion of the SNP has been most welcome.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

8 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Murdo Fraser panting about ‘itll come crashing down tomorrow’ type stuff. Bad news ahead?

He's probably drunk and hurting after yet another sore one for blue bigots. 

[Granny Danger]

Going back to the thread title, I never thought my opinion of Nicola Sturgeon could change so dramatically and so quickly.

There will be some who will defend her right not to voice a preference for her successor but IMO it is an abrogation of responsibility.  She should make it clear that she is opposed to having a homophobe as SNP leader and First Minister.

 

[Trogdor]

There is a lot to be critical of Sturgeon for but keeping schtoom (although by what she has said its easy to infer she is Team Humza) in the leadership race doesn't make my list. 

[AyrExile]

9 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Murdo Fraser panting about ‘itll come crashing down tomorrow’ type stuff. Bad news ahead?

Brexit deal expected today so might be an opportune moment to release bad news 

[Iain]

6 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Going back to the thread title, I never thought my opinion of Nicola Sturgeon could change so dramatically and so quickly.

There will be some who will defend her right not to voice a preference for her successor but IMO it is an abrogation of responsibility.  She should make it clear that she is opposed to having a homophobe as SNP leader and First Minister.

 

She did say that last week?

 

Ms Sturgeon said that Scotland is a “socially progressive country and I believe that is majority opinion”.

She added: “Whoever is first minister the views that they have on all sorts of issues matter because people look to their first minister to see someone who will stand up for them and their rights and the job of first minister on a daily basis involves responding to things based your positions your values, your outlooks.

[Guest Wind Chime Jimmy]

Her self congratulatory speech was vomit inducing.

She failed with the closing of the attainment gap, Covid deaths in old folks homes, worst drugs deaths in Europe, the tried cover up on Salmond, Fergusons shipyard fiasco, reduced number of college places available, criminalisation of fitbaw fans etc

Most worrying NHS Scotland in turmoil. They're looking at integrating health and social care more closely. It'll offer the opportunity to open up a lot of community health services to the private sector. They've been privatising the NHS by stealth for years. They're driving home a procurement process that will offer the private sector opportunities to tender for all sorts. Tender on more than 1500 procedures, including a range of operations such as heart, cancer and brain surgery. There's been £150 million set aside over five years to finance the implementation of this process. NHS will hopefully remain free at a point of need, but, that doesn't mean it's not being privatised, because it already is.

She had failed to deliver on a unified, a progressive and a fairer Scotland. She very effectively managed to close down opposition witin her party, and has managed to ensure that Scotland is now more divided than ever. She had also, remained in the same statistical rut by ensuring the SNP have enough votes to win elections, but the SNP are no closer to delivering independence. She failed to bring onboard those who are not SNP voters, but want an independent Scotland (me).

Sadly for Scotland we're in limbo. A fractured, broken nation that has an inept Goverment with no effective political opposition. We cannot move on as a society, we're effectively stuck, and meanwhile we'll all keep burling round looking for both blame and inspiration.