GAD Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 This Heaton thing must have way more to it than him just being shite. Being plain old shite doesn't get you this treatment at St Mirren, even if you are expensive shite. Also, if the club were desperate to punt him, then surely they would be playing him in friendlies and stuff, in the hope someone would see him. There is obviously a real problem with this guy, even Stubbs never played him. We seem to want absolutely nothing to do with him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted July 1, 2019 Author Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, GAD said: This Heaton thing must have way more to it than him just being shite. Being plain old shite doesn't get you this treatment at St Mirren, even if you are expensive shite. Also, if the club were desperate to punt him, then surely they would be playing him in friendlies and stuff, in the hope someone would see him. There is obviously a real problem with this guy, even Stubbs never played him. We seem to want absolutely nothing to do with him. Yeah. Today is the management team's first day on the job and we currently have 15 players on our books. You'd imagine he'd want to be running the rule over everyone who is in our first team roster. This is clearly a decision taken by SMFC as a club rather than a manager going 'nah, you're not in my plans'. and as you say, it's clearly based on something more than just a lack of ability. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TQM Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Clearly with the financial meltdown imminent, we couldn’t afford to take everyone, so Josh was the one to be sacrificed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBank Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Yeah. Today is the management team's first day on the job and we currently have 15 players on our books. You'd imagine he'd want to be running the rule over everyone who is in our first team roster. This is clearly a decision taken by SMFC as a club rather than a manager going 'nah, you're not in my plans'. and as you say, it's clearly based on something more than just a lack of ability. Because he is a dick as well as useless at football? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 11 hours ago, djchapsticks said: Think at this point you'd be reflecting on why you aren't there when trialists are deemed more worthy of a spot on the plane than you are. No our Josh though. He's been hard done by. What an absolute fanny that boy is. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Just now, McG said: What an absolute fanny that boy is. I've always been the first to say he should get another crack of the whip; new manager, new start, etc - especially because the only way we're getting value from our fee is if we help him turn into a player. But that's now four managers who haven't fancied him, including the one who bought him and, apparently, the one who took him on loan at Kidderminster. TTG, I reckon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said: I've always been the first to say he should get another crack of the whip; new manager, new start, etc - especially because the only way we're getting value from our fee is if we help him turn into a player. But that's now four managers who haven't fancied him, including the one who bought him and, apparently, the one who took him on loan at Kidderminster. TTG, I reckon. I do wonder whether all the talk that we beat off stiff competition from teams like Everton and Middlesbrough was an invention. When you look at his history, he's only 22 but has been at a whole host of clubs, all at non-league level. In fact he's not played a competitive game higher than the sixth tier of English football. Even his old boss at Darlington said he was a work in progress and wouldn't be a regular starter for them. To get a move for 75k, he must have a really good agent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hendo said: I do wonder whether all the talk that we beat off stiff competition from teams like Everton and Middlesbrough was an invention. When you look at his history, he's only 22 but has been at a whole host of clubs, all at non-league level. In fact he's not played a competitive game higher than the sixth tier of English football. Even his old boss at Darlington said he was a work in progress and wouldn't be a regular starter for them. To get a move for 75k, he must have a really good agent. All true. As for the bit in bold, I guess we'll never know. We've all heard the rumours, there's no point repeating them, but something doesn't quite add up here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hendo said: I do wonder whether all the talk that we beat off stiff competition from teams like Everton and Middlesbrough was an invention. When you look at his history, he's only 22 but has been at a whole host of clubs, all at non-league level. In fact he's not played a competitive game higher than the sixth tier of English football. Even his old boss at Darlington said he was a work in progress and wouldn't be a regular starter for them. To get a move for 75k, he must have a really good agent. There is a distinct whiff or brown envelopes being passed under desks to this one. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said: We've all heard the rumours, there's no point repeating them 4 minutes ago, Drooper said: There is a distinct whiff or brown envelopes being passed under desks to this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said: All true. As for the bit in bold, I guess we'll never know. We've all heard the rumours, there's no point repeating them, but something doesn't quite add up here. I think a few people were pretty good at adding up. They managed to make what should have been 0 add up to 75k. Edited July 2, 2019 by pozbaird 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Just looks like a desperate, attention seeking, wee fanny to be honest. Hopefully one of these days he'll grow up a bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddie06smfc Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 To be fair to Heaton if it wasn’t for his social media posts causing such a ruckus and constantly getting reposted I’d have absolute no idea who the boy was. He’s doing well to keep his profile up, albeit in a mainly negative way. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellthepaw Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 14 hours ago, Stu said: Heaton would have been emptied long ago had we not paid £75k* for him, the club must be desperately hoping we can somehow recoup some of that but I just can't see it. And there's more chance of Man Utd signing John McGinn for £50 million than there is of Heaton ever featuring for the first team again. *Fully expecting folk to say it's not that bad, £75k is only the amount we pay once clauses etc are added in. However, isn't it funny those stories only started to appear when it became apparent Heaton wasn't very good? The club were more than happy to announce it as the highest fee for a quarter of a century when he signed. From what I believe, we never paid the full £75k and it was all instalments based upon milestones. Wouldn't be surprised if we only paid a third of this so far. To soften the blow, we did recoup some of that money back from the sale of Ross Stewart to Ross County. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DXBBud Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, smellthepaw said: To soften the blow, we did recoup some of that money back from the sale of Ross Stewart to Ross County. Surely the recoup of the 75K only occurs if we somehow manage to get anything for the sale/development of the player himself? Yes, it all affects the revenue and bottom line, but any fee received for another player can't be argued as offsetting the unjustifiable cost of another any more than the increased sale of hot dogs or caramel wafers from the snack kiosks, and I suspect we got a bit more from John McGinn's move to Villa than we got from Ross County. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, smellthepaw said: From what I believe, we never paid the full £75k and it was all instalments based upon milestones. Wouldn't be surprised if we only paid a third of this so far. To soften the blow, we did recoup some of that money back from the sale of Ross Stewart to Ross County. Correct. Nowhere near that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demented Zebra Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Hendo said: I do wonder whether all the talk that we beat off stiff competition from teams like Everton and Middlesbrough was an invention. When you look at his history, he's only 22 but has been at a whole host of clubs, all at non-league level. In fact he's not played a competitive game higher than the sixth tier of English football. Even his old boss at Darlington said he was a work in progress and wouldn't be a regular starter for them. To get a move for 75k, he must have a really good agent. Why not cut our losses and terminate his contract? Makes you wonder if he is on a good deal so he is happy to sit and let it run out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBank Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 25 minutes ago, smellthepaw said: From what I believe, we never paid the full £75k and it was all instalments based upon milestones. Wouldn't be surprised if we only paid a third of this so far. To soften the blow, we did recoup some of that money back from the sale of Ross Stewart to Ross County. Maybe. But what fanny made him one of the highest paid players and gave him a 3 year deal. 3 years is the best deal we have given anyone in years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenburn bud Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) Heaton has probably been told he’s got no future at the club, hence the needy and pathetic social media postings. The club didn’t somehow forget to book him a place for the Spanish training camp, they left him behind for a reason. Problem we have is moving him out to help pay off his wage. At best he’s a non league jobber. Edited July 2, 2019 by glenburn bud 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellthepaw Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, Demented Zebra said: Why not cut our losses and terminate his contract? Makes you wonder if he is on a good deal so he is happy to sit and let it run out. I think he is on a good deal. Some believe he is a top earner, though I am not sure if I believe that or not. His contract was most likely more complicated as we were looking into him being a sellable asset. All assumptions. 30 minutes ago, DXBBud said: Surely the recoup of the 75K only occurs if we somehow manage to get anything for the sale/development of the player himself? Yes, it all affects the revenue and bottom line, but any fee received for another player can't be argued as offsetting the unjustifiable cost of another any more than the increased sale of hot dogs or caramel wafers from the snack kiosks, and I suspect we got a bit more from John McGinn's move to Villa than we got from Ross County. A player off the wage bill (Stewart) plus transfer fee. Same could be said about fee we received for Cammy Smith. Off the wage bill and transfer fee. Overall I suppose when you look at the bigger picture, we did have to offload guys like King, Kpekawa etc early from their contracts, which would have cost us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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