Greenlantern Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 Beef madras & pilau rice for lunch today. I'm also not a racist etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Greenlantern said: Beef madras & pilau rice for lunch today. I'm also not a racist etc. Until you find out yer wee chef who made the curry uses his hand to wipe his arse and has RandomGuy levels of fingernails which have been roaming about that sauce. Bon appétit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, RawB93 said: You've left out the fact that these "words" were in fact racial abuse. Yes after the appeal in December 2014 sorry miss that bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I believed Shay Logan in regards to the Tonev incident.... now that he's a proven liar, i don't know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, wastecoatwilly said: OK new timeline if i leave anything out please jump in. September 2014 logan and Tonev have words Logan reports those words Celtic backs their loaned player Tonev only plays 6 games for celtic October 2014 Tonev gets 7 match ban SFA on the balance of probability Logan was more convincing. Logan gets vilified Tonev's career effectively ended (no sympathy and good riddance) November 2014 Aberdeen 1 Celtic 2 Celtic fans booo Logan, puts him off his game and gets sent off for arguing with the match officials. The Ronny Roar was born Logan loves or hates playing Celtic. Celtic fans and Aberdeen fans at each others Throats. Fast forward to 2018 Celtic double treble trophy day Logan again gets sent off my the match officials after the game 55 days later Logan speaks to a Aberdeen news paper Celtic start the new season with a win in Armenia Brendan gets asked about Logan Tonev playing in serie B Celtic fans and Aberdeen fans at each others throats The appeal The club captain calling Shay a liar prior to that appeal The club manager calling Shay a liar prior to that appeal Lord Bonomy ( former Senator of the College of Justice, a judge of the Supreme Courts of Scotland, sitting in the High Court of Justiciary and the Inner House of the Court of Session and former Judge of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia) and therefore, on the balance of probabilities, quite good at detecting folk who are or are not telling the truth, vindicated St Shay the Honest and trustworthy and not: "RA ESS EFF AYYYY on the balance of probability Logan was more convincing." And we're not "at each others throats" as far as I can tell it's just one arse cheek completely losing their shit because someone had the affront to criticise them and their club. While the other disgusting arse cheek taunts the aforementioned from atop their own stinking pile of prejudice. AFC and its fans don't seen to have a dog in this fight at all, since we know Shay is beyond reproach as a character, as established by the noble Lord Bonomy above. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, RawB93 said: There wasn't a case to determine who was more convincing, it was to find out if racial abuse took place. They found that to be the case. May be wrong, but wasn't it decided on the balance of probability? Ie, The panel found that racial abuse probably took place, not that it definitely did? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ross. said: May be wrong, but wasn't it decided on the balance of probability? Ie, The panel found that racial abuse probably took place, not that it definitely did? That's just a description of the burden of proof required, as opposed to beyond reasonable doubt. Lord Bonomy believed Shay and did not believe Tonev. That's it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, williemillersmoustache said: That's just a description of the burden of proof required, as opposed to beyond reasonable doubt. Lord Bonomy believed Shay and did not believe Tonev. That's it. Yeah, I get that, but it is still a distinction which has to be made. I think a lot of what has happened since is largely pantomime, but with a lot of hypocrisy from huge parts of the Celtic support who indulge in it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Yeah, I get that, but it is still a distinction which has to be made. I think a lot of what has happened since is largely pantomime, but with a lot of hypocrisy from huge parts of the Celtic support who indulge in it.Not really. Celtic seem to want a a 9 month OJ Simpson esque show trial because it was wan o'theirs.It's was sporting infringement, in a sporting association rule book.And Tonev was proven to be exactly as guilty as he required to be in order to be found in breach of those rules.Everything else said about " balance of probabilities" is just bollocks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Not really. Celtic seem to want a a 9 month OJ Simpson esque show trial because it was wan o'theirs. It's was sporting infringement, in a sporting association rule book. And Tonev was proven to be exactly as guilty as he required to be in order to be found in breach of those rules. Everything else said about " balance of probabilities" is just bollocks. If it's based on the balance of probabilities then he has not been "proven" to be anything. Continuing to confuse the terms like that just makes it easier for people to argue against it. Tonev is probably a racist and was banned for what he probably done. That should have been the end of the matter(Aside from an apology from Tonev and Celtic taking their own action on the matter). Sadly, some couldn't accept that, and something that should be long forgotten by now(As much as an incident of that nature should be forgotten...) has dragged on and turned into even more of a shitshow, with victim blaming all over the shop form Celtic fans, Aberdeen fans sticking up for their player, and rival fans who don't really care about the incident itself just happy to twist the knife and keep it running, for shits and giggles. I have no idea if he wore gloves, nor do I care if they fitted. Edited July 11, 2018 by Ross. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: because it was wan o'theirs. Technically no he wasn't,played 6 games was on loan,so no axe to grind 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ross. said: Tonev is probably a racist and was banned for what he probably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 If it's based on the balance of probabilities then he has not been "proven" to be anything. Continuing to confuse the terms like that just makes it easier for people to argue against it. Tonev is probably a racist and was banned for what he probably done. That should have been the end of the matter(Aside from an apology from Tonev and Celtic taking their own action on the matter). Sadly, some couldn't accept that, and something that should be long forgotten by now(As much as an incident of that nature should be forgotten...) has dragged on and turned into even more of a shitshow, with victim blaming all over the shop form Celtic fans, Aberdeen fans sticking up for their player, and rival fans who don't really care about the incident itself just happy to twist the knife and keep it running, for shits and giggles. I have no idea if he wore gloves, nor do I care if they fitted.Giggles. Sorry he was proven to have met the burden of proof required to be found in breach. That's just how it is. That is what those words mean.But good post, enjoyable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 37 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: The club captain calling Shay a liar prior to that appeal The club manager calling Shay a liar prior to that appeal Evidence please? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just now, wastecoatwilly said: Evidence please? " i know he [Tonev] didn't say it" "we all stand by him, we know he's not a racist" Press conference prior to the appeal and a Aberdeen v Celtic game at Pittodrie. You can find it yourself. Historians will take care to note the previous week the club, or someone associated with it claimed it was "too windy" to hear anyone being racist. But not "too windy" to definitely know he didn't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-44801010 The driver of the Volvo will be praying his name stays out the media. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, The Master said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-44801010 The driver of the Volvo will be praying his name stays out the media. Diana died but Edouard survived 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Surely the biggest shock in that story is a Celtic player having a blue car. Did he not get the memo? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 The Celtic player driving the car to be found guilty of dangerous driving but the Celtic fans to abuse the innocent Volvo driver. Absolute cert. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Will the Celtic fans boo all silver volvos now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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