Scottydog Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Starkiplier said: So you’ll believe “the rumour doing the rounds” instead of what Barry Smith himself was quoted as saying in an interview? We’ll be bringing in another defender. Agree that Davo was man of the match and it’s good to see him back to his best after a difficult start to the season. I was late getting down to the club yesterday (I didn't arrive until about a quarter past two), but this rumour allegedly came from a comment to that effect made by the chairman himself in the 200 club pre-game. All to do with the unexpected costs (£14k) of the two Op's required by McHattie and Cuthbert last week. Like I say I didn't hear it verbatim but if Alan Young's comments have been correctly interpreted, then it's fair to say if there's going to be a loan signing now then I'd expect it'll have to be as a result from fresh investment/donations from an outside source....most likely from forum members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 If this indeed the case surely he should be sharing that info will the whole support instead of spreading stories,rumours or whatever to a chosen few in the 200 club. Mind you, him telling a chosen few in the 200 club could be his way of getting it out there to the wider support by way of them spreading the story/ rumour.Easy way out for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers1992/1993 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I was late getting down to the club yesterday (I didn't arrive until about a quarter past two), but this rumour allegedly came from a comment to that effect made by the chairman himself in the 200 club pre-game. All to do with the unexpected costs (£14k) of the two Op's required by McHattie and Cuthbert last week. Like I say I didn't hear it verbatim but if Alan Young's comments have been correctly interpreted, then it's fair to say if there's going to be a loan signing now then I'd expect it'll have to be as a result from fresh investment/donations from an outside source....most likely from forum members. Firstly, I find it unlikely that Young will talk about matters like this in the 200 club. Secondly, what could have possibly happened since Smith's interview on Thursday afternoon and Saturday afternoon for 2 players to need further operations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 If Cuthbert seriously needs another operation he might want to consider retiring. He's 35 now, is approaching a calendar year out injured and now has a coaching gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lellywong Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Alan Young is savvy enough not to be giving info out about the finances of the club to all and sundry so I would be taking this with a pinch of salt and maybe a wee bit of artistic licence No need to be stirring it up with this hearsay stuff....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy Blonde Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Zen Archer said: Hide contents If we don't get another CH in soon we might have to ask Stagecoach if we can borrow the X27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydog Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Rovers_Lad said: If this indeed the case surely he should be sharing that info will the whole support instead of spreading stories,rumours or whatever to a chosen few in the 200 club. Mind you, him telling a chosen few in the 200 club could be his way of getting it out there to the wider support by way of them spreading the story/ rumour.Easy way out for him 5 hours ago, Rovers1992/1993 said: Firstly, I find it unlikely that Young will talk about matters like this in the 200 club. Secondly, what could have possibly happened since Smith's interview on Thursday afternoon and Saturday afternoon for 2 players to need further operations? 3 hours ago, lellywong said: Alan Young is savvy enough not to be giving info out about the finances of the club to all and sundry so I would be taking this with a pinch of salt and maybe a wee bit of artistic licence No need to be stirring it up with this hearsay stuff....... Spoke to an other board member regarding this earlier today and he confirmed the above to be accurate. Apparently the chairman was in the 200 club talking to fans and when asked a direct question he gave a direct reply (as apparently any board member can happily do on matters not relating to personal contracts), that due to added medical outgoings there are no longer funds available to enhance the playing staff at present. Barry Smith was indeed (and correctly) of the opinion on Thursday morning that he had funds available to bing in anther defender, unfortunately by mid afternoon the situation had changed, the specialists had suggested and agreed to operate on Cuthbert and McHattie. Quite simply funds were no longer available. Unless new funding becomes available the there will be nobody arriving anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers1992/1993 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Spoke to an other board member regarding this earlier today and he confirmed the above to be accurate. Apparently the chairman was in the 200 club talking to fans and when asked a direct question he gave a direct reply (as apparently any board member can happily do on matters not relating to personal contracts), that due to added medical outgoings there are no longer funds available to enhance the playing staff at present. Barry Smith was indeed (and correctly) of the opinion on Thursday morning that he had funds available to bing in anther defender, unfortunately by mid afternoon the situation had changed, the specialists had suggested and agreed to operate on Cuthbert and McHattie. Quite simply funds were no longer available. Unless new funding becomes available the there will be nobody arriving anytime soon. If that is indeed correct that Young has been talking about things like that in the 200 club to your random punter then I'm afraid it's time for him to go. That is extremely unprofessional. Lucky for him though, I still find that a load of shite. We had already found out in last weeks interview or the week before that It had already been confirmed that McHattie will have to undergo another operation. Therefore this will have absolutely no effect on whether we can bring in another player or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Even when he's not on the pitch McHattie is still bringing us down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydog Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Rovers1992/1993 said: If that is indeed correct that Young has been talking about things like that in the 200 club to your random punter then I'm afraid it's time for him to go. That is extremely unprofessional. Lucky for him though, I still find that a load of shite. We had already found out in last weeks interview or the week before that It had already been confirmed that McHattie will have to undergo another operation. Therefore this will have absolutely no effect on whether we can bring in another player or not. Shite or not I was only repeating what was alleged to have been said on Saturday and what has since confirmed by another board member today. It's interesting that when there is little or nothing being said by the board then they are condemned for a lack of transparency yet when they do come out and give direct answers to questions being asked they are accused of unprofessionalism. No wonder they feel they can't win at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 4 hours ago, Rovers1992/1993 said: If that is indeed correct that Young has been talking about things like that in the 200 club to your random punter then I'm afraid it's time for him to go. That is extremely unprofessional. Spot on He should have gone end of last season 1 hour ago, Scottydog said: It's interesting that when there is little or nothing being said by the board then they are condemned for a lack of transparency yet when they do come out and give direct answers to questions being asked they are accused of unprofessionalism. Our club dont do transparency,maybe to a chosen few but not to the many. The fact you have come on here as a random supporter and posted the rumour you heard on Saturday and then come on here and confirm it by way of speaking another board member says it all how unprofessional our chairman and other board members are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Scottydog said: Shite or not I was only repeating what was alleged to have been said on Saturday and what has since confirmed by another board member today. It's interesting that when there is little or nothing being said by the board then they are condemned for a lack of transparency yet when they do come out and give direct answers to questions being asked they are accused of unprofessionalism. No wonder they feel they can't win at times. They can't win because they're going out to small numbers of fans in certain groups giving information rather than relaying it through the press. Either way it's a sorry state of affairs if they've said there's budget for an extra player, only to withdraw it after consultations which you'd have expected scheduled in. I know the budget isn't limitless, but it's the board's decision making last season which got us here. They need to be the ones to find solutions to resolve it. Loads was made of having external companies contribute for Skacel and McManus last season, why not do the same this season when it'll be far more position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 If the preferred method of communication of the board is now though chats in the 200 club or conversations with friends I think they'd be better off just saying nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baillieinleeds Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Just let Penmam come back, he wants to spend money. He offers to pay for the repair of the Railway Stamd and keeps being turned away. For John Sim being a money a numbers man, he seems very short sighted on this matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nairney Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 7 hours ago, rw89 said: I know the budget isn't limitless, but it's the board's decision making last season which got us here. They need to be the ones to find solutions to resolve it. Loads was made of having external companies contribute for Skacel and McManus last season, why not do the same this season when it'll be far more position? I'd been wondering the same thing myself.... perhaps the club holding up the Rudi Skacel signing, as a case study / example, didn't really inspire potential backers for some reason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydog Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 9 hours ago, Rovers_Lad said: Our club dont do transparency,maybe to a chosen few but not to the many. The fact you have come on here as a random supporter and posted the rumour you heard on Saturday and then come on here and confirm it by way of speaking another board member says it all how unprofessional our chairman and other board members are I am no apologist for the board and I think the host of mistakes they made last season were utterly appalling and merited a far better apology that the one we eventually got, and a few of them have been told as much to their face. However I don't think the highlighted above is entirely accurate, I've been often told that all members of the board are available and willing to discuss anything at all to any fan who asks (as long as it doesn't involve personal contract details). To some extent this is regularly proved accurate by board members coming into the 200 club pre-match. Don't be mislead this isn't an exclusive scoop for only 200 club members I only mention it foremost as that's where I see them most, they also go amongst fans in the Jim McMillan club, Main stand bar and into the south stand concourse pre games. You'll often find various board members going about talking to fans before (and after) most if not every game. You just about always see one or two members of the board milling about and they are there to be approached. The only downside being that their availability is usually limited to between half one and a quarter past two as they also have to offer hospitality to visiting directors. Any fans who feel that issues aren't getting adequately dealt with, if they can't get down early to speak with someone about it there's nothing to stop anyone contacting the club directly. I had several discussions in this manner with Turnbull during his time on the board and he always willingly talked to me about things. I go out of my way to have dialogue with them frequently as sometimes what they do and say goes against the grain with me, the installation of a synthetic surface being a case in point. The contact details are all here http://www.raithrovers.net/contact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastie Russell Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Why announce money was available, when we knew players were being seen by specialists ? if we knew players could require operations, then no promise re funding should have been made, until we knew that cost, basic stuff again IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydog Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, Beastie Russell said: Why announce money was available, when we knew players were being seen by specialists ? if we knew players could require operations, then no promise re funding should have been made, until we knew that cost, basic stuff again IMHO. Apparently the visits to the specialist were pre arranged and known about, but it seems the specialists decision that op's were needed (and crucially the offer to do them straight away) was the unknown factor. Barry Smith was apparently told in good faith that there was money available available to bring someone in on Thursday morning. Unfortunately after KC & KMcH saw the specialist/s during the day then by tea time things had altered. Apparently the club forked out around £50,000 on various medical procedures last season. Strange I can't recall there being vast an outlays in the previous seasons when there were less plastic pitches to play and train on, coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastie Russell Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Don't we have insurance for our players ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Fair play to Scotty for answering the questions. I guess we just need to look at Airdrie to remember how lucky we are to get answers from our board rather than having a group of shysters who don't answer any questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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