Junior football formed 1886, now facing oblivion. Where did it all go wrong?

[Garret Deasy]

20 hours ago, santheman said:

That was after my time GD so I don't know what the document contained or what club (s) presented it but Scott Robertson had no right to do that and it should have gone through the proper channels. 

If the club (s) were unhappy at the response they could have added it to the agenda for the AGM where it would have had to be discussed and it would also have given them time to canvass all the other clubs beforehand.

The proof of that was the successful efforts of some clubs to reorganize the West leagues which was met with the same initial reaction but was eventually passed at the AGM along with publishing fixture lists (which is another story and will undoubtedly come back to haunt him!!).

Sometimes the hierarchy need reminded of who pays the wages.

 

 

I agree that Scott Robertson 'had no right'. Every normal person would agree. But he personally doesn't see it that way.  He believes he has that right.

Maybe the West committee took a decision? A decision not to challenge him. Who wants to take on the playground bully after all?

This is the man who has powers equivalent to Papal Infallibility in his role but especially the way he can manipulate fixtures to punish the non believers. Who needs purgatory when you have Pope Scott The First in control of the fixtures?

You tried adding an item to the agenda for the AGM? Many have tried and many have failed. The Constitution is the heavy weapon that enforces no change.

The only change worth talking about within the junior game at the moment is the mass exodus of clubs. Meanwhile the committees are shuffling deckchairs on the sinking ship pretending nothing much is happening.

If you only keep looking backwards you will never see the iceberg. 

 

 

[Jambo'ness]

1 hour ago, Garret Deasy said:

I agree that Scott Robertson 'had no right'. Every normal person would agree. But he personally doesn't see it that way.  He believes he has that right.

Maybe the West committee took a decision? A decision not to challenge him. Who wants to take on the playground bully after all?

This is the man who has powers equivalent to Papal Infallibility in his role but especially the way he can manipulate fixtures to punish the non believers. Who needs purgatory when you have Pope Scott The First in control of the fixtures?

You tried adding an item to the agenda for the AGM? Many have tried and many have failed. The Constitution is the heavy weapon that enforces no change.

The only change worth talking about within the junior game at the moment is the mass exodus of clubs. Meanwhile the committees are shuffling deckchairs on the sinking ship pretending nothing much is happening.

If you only keep looking backwards you will never see the iceberg. 

 

 

An answer to 'where did it all go wrong?' is right there.  in any organisation, when an ego takes over, you are on the slippery slope.  It can and has taken years for some to challenge the egos of those in office. 

The playground bully analogy is a good one.  You could say Kelty gave the bully a kicking, now others are less afraid to do so.  Others, including my club sadly, are happy to 'keep in' with the bully, believing the promises made. 

[Goalie Hamish]

Surely the writing is on the wall anyway for these fowk? If and when the West move into the Pyramid does anyone want them involved in running the new league?

[santheman]

9 hours ago, Garret Deasy said:

I agree that Scott Robertson 'had no right'. Every normal person would agree. But he personally doesn't see it that way.  He believes he has that right.

Maybe the West committee took a decision? A decision not to challenge him. Who wants to take on the playground bully after all?

This is the man who has powers equivalent to Papal Infallibility in his role but especially the way he can manipulate fixtures to punish the non believers. Who needs purgatory when you have Pope Scott The First in control of the fixtures?

You tried adding an item to the agenda for the AGM? Many have tried and many have failed. The Constitution is the heavy weapon that enforces no change.

The only change worth talking about within the junior game at the moment is the mass exodus of clubs. Meanwhile the committees are shuffling deckchairs on the sinking ship pretending nothing much is happening.

If you only keep looking backwards you will never see the iceberg. 

 

 

Oh dear GD just when I thought this just might turn out to be a sensible thread.

First we have Isa with his Nazis and now you with  your Papal  comparisons  it's all getting a bit silly don't you think?

Anyway in answer to your questions, no I haven't tried to get an item onto the AGM agenda although as far as I am aware the only situation that would prevent that would be if it was not received in the pre requisite time beforehand  but feel free to correct me.

I don't think the Committee are shuffling deckchairs to be fair otherwise there would be no meetings going on with the SFA. I actually think they've finally woke up and smelled the coffee albeit late in the day.

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[Garret Deasy]

6 hours ago, santheman said:

Oh dear GD just when I thought this just might turn out to be a sensible thread.

First we have Isa with his Nazis and now you with  your Papal  comparisons  it's all getting a bit silly don't you think?

Anyway in answer to your questions, no I haven't tried to get an item onto the AGM agenda although as far as I am aware the only situation that would prevent that would be if it was not received in the pre requisite time beforehand  but feel free to correct me.

I don't think the Committee are shuffling deckchairs to be fair otherwise there would be no meetings going on with the SFA. I actually think they've finally woke up and smelled the coffee albeit late in the day.

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You are concerned initially that I didn't understand how in junior football the clubs are the ones who have the say in decisions. 

Then I explain how individuals such as Scott Robertson (and others) ignore those principles. 

Your response is a sort of 'oh dear,  that shouldn't happen'. It damn well does happen, has happened and will continue to happen. Everything is based on blinkered opinions and they will ensure that facts won't get in the way.  You equate meetings with decisions. Sorry mate, it doesn't work that way. Meetings are used to obscure, confuse and distract from the issues at hand. 

We are staring at more of the same from those in charge, elected or otherwise. Any decisions made will not be about improving things for clubs but defending and protecting those in positions of power and the privileges that comes with that.

Sorry about the Papal reference. I should have realised that you are from Larkhall  .  Who was the old specky guy who was on your committee 5/6 years  back, the one with the anger management issues  and spouter of racist/religious hatred comments ? He owes an apology or two.  

[santheman]

37 minutes ago, Garret Deasy said:

You are concerned initially that I didn't understand how in junior football the clubs are the ones who have the say in decisions. 

Then I explain how individuals such as Scott Robertson (and others) ignore those principles. 

Your response is a sort of 'oh dear,  that shouldn't happen'. It damn well does happen, has happened and will continue to happen. Everything is based on blinkered opinions and they will ensure that facts won't get in the way. 

We are staring at more of the same from those in charge, elected or otherwise. All decisions made will not be about improving things for clubs but defending and protecting those in positions of power and the privileges that comes with that.

Sorry about the Papal reference. I should have realised that you are from Larkhall  .  Who was the old specky guy who was on your committee 5/6 years  back, the one with the anger management issues  and spouter of racist/religious hatred comments ? He owes an apology or two.  

Obviously an angry man GD. Wonder what SR has done to upset you??

If you look at what senior team I support and the fact I live in Larkhall  not come from there you will see that papal references  do not offend me in the slightest and I have no idea who you are referring to, sorry after my time.

I actually thought you were better than cheap sectarian  cliches but you have obviously been sucked  in by the vitriol from both sides that the pyramid debate seems to have caused

Anyway  if you are still a club delegate you will have the chance to vote in someone else at the next AGM or perhaps influence your team to join the EOSL/ WOSL( if it happens)  so look on the bright side. 

My last comment as I have the matter of a local derby and  a cup final to look forward to.

[santheman]

Forgot to say your choice of emojis was particularly effective to display just how angry you appear to be. (Definitely my last comment)

[Dreghorn]

The replies to this topic show that there is no single reason for the demise of junior football, not in any order of importance

1.   New ways to spend a Saturday such as shopping, shopping and more shopping.

2.   Amateurs running the junior game both at club and regional level.

Es 3.   The advent of a fledgling pyramid system.

Fear of 4.    Too many clubs without any real support who should now be playing amateur football.

5.    Lack of investment in ground facilities such as floodlights and drainage (both the pitch and the toilets)

6.  No proper league structure and fixture lists.

7.  The predominance of the Scottish Junior Cup, the best Cup competition in the country leading to the fall in importance of other competitions.

8.  The lack of quality of the players despite their superior fitness.

9.   25 live games a week on TV

10.  Games being postponed every week even during summer for fear of injuries to players, match officials and spectators.

Time for change but how should it happen?