What is the point of labour ?

[Colkitto]

Desperate attempt of a get out clause for when they are asked should Scotland have indyref2 in the next Scottish parliament term in the upcoming election. 

Labour won't want to be associated with the Tories by saying no and parroting the same lines. They can now say we will wait on the findings of the devolution commission lead by Gordon Brown.  

[San Starko Rover]

Desperate attempt of a get out clause for when they are asked should Scotland have indyref2 in the next Scottish parliament term in the upcoming election. 
Labour won't want to be associated with the Tories by saying no and parroting the same lines. They can now say we will wait on the findings of the devolution commission lead by Gordon Brown.  

Then 18 months later Gordon “North Britain” Brown declares everything’s just great and we all love the Union just the way it is. Now everyone wave your wee flag and hang some bunting for Brexit and the Queens jubilee,

[NotThePars]

lol

[Wee-Bey]

For 5000 phone calls I demand Sir Keith comes and meets me wearing jeans.

[ICTJohnboy]

On 02/07/2018 at 03:32, pawpar said:

Much as I hate the tory party (and christ do I do) you have to give them credit for a couple of things.

1. They have stupid unionists voting for them despite the fact Scotland is going to shit.

2. They think brexit is a good thing for the UK and bring stupid unionists to think the same and

3. They love austerity.

 

Which brings me to my main point what is the difference between the Conservative and Labour Parties when it comes to policy as there is no difference between them when it comes to the above 3 policies..

At least the tories have the balls to admit the above while labour gets all drunk and says I love you, you are my best friend then cuts your balls off.

So I ask you what is the point of Labour. ? (Anybody mentioning socialism and helping the poor considering they abstain when it comes to a vote on austerity will be ignored.)

 

Discuss. 

 

I've been considering and deliberating over this opening post since July 2018 and have now decided to award you a greenie.

It's not been an easy decision but please go forth and rejoice at this news!

[Guest Jedi]

Admittedly there is no 'detail' yet on what this means, and any commission obviously has to publish its proposals pretty soon....is it essentially full fiscal control for Scotland with only really defence and foreign policy retained or not? Otherwise its a non-starter.

Worth noting that two-thirds in a good sized poll said they wouldnt want Indy Ref 2 before Covid is sorted out though.

 

[renton]

1 minute ago, Jedi said:

Admittedly there is no 'detail' yet on what this means, and any commission obviously has to publish its proposals pretty soon....is it essentially full fiscal control for Scotland with only really defence and foreign policy retained or not? Otherwise its a non-starter.

Worth noting that two-thirds in a good sized poll said they wouldnt want Indy Ref 2 before Covid is sorted out though.

 

I think current Labour thinking on devolution is not so much to empower a central parliament like Holywood but to 'Devolve' more powers to local authorities, metro mayors and the like. That allows them to claim a mantle of localist disaggregated power, and also circumvent the central layer between Westminster and LAs that are too small to form a counterweight to London power and where Labour might still be competitive.

[Detournement]

2 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

For 5000 phone calls I demand Sir Keith comes and meets me wearing jeans.

Tragic after being led by hench Jez. 

[Wee-Bey]

2 hours ago, MixuFruit said:

Standards please

Meh.

If the leader of the opposition doesn't have any, then why should I ?

[Wee-Bey]

4 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Tragic after being led by hench Jez. 

The virgin Starmer v the chad Corbyn.

[Wee-Bey]

[Guest Jedi]

Agree that it might focus on the metro mayors, LA's across England. 

I don't think it is a 'Vow 2', though....that was cooked up at the last minute on the back of Yes hitting 51% in a weekend poll in 2014.

Just as 'material circumstances' have changed to enable a 2nd Indy Ref off the back of Brexit, that also applies to devolution. In other words there is scope to say that devolution has to be greatly extended, as the UK is a very different place politically from 2014.

You cant have one material change only to suit Indy, and not also devolution.

 

Edited December 21, 2020 by Jedi

[DublinMagyar]

It must be every year now since 1884, just under a different name. Devomax, home rule, federalism...nobody's listening kier.
I see he's got big Gordon with him, I don't suppose the media will have the balls to ask him if this means the vow wasnt delivered. 

Ftfy

[DA Baracus]

The ridiculous 'devo max' nonsense has been fucked by Labour themselves.

Their constant lies, condescension to and patronising of the Scottish electorate has made them so comically untrustworthy. 

Good, as 'devo max' can f**k so far off.

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, Jedi said:

Agree that it might focus on the metro mayors, LA's across England. 

I don't think it is a 'Vow 2', though....that was cooked up at the last minute on the back of Yes hitting 51% in a weekend poll in 2014.

Just as 'material circumstances' have changed to enable a 2nd Indy Ref off the back of Brexit, that also applies to devolution. In other words there is scope to say that devolution has to be greatly extended, as the UK is a very different place politically from 2014.

You cant have one material change only to suit Indy, and not also devolution.

 

Starmer is against even extending the Brexit transition period during this almighty spike in a public health crisis. The material change was getting dragged out of the EU against our will. How will Starmer's diluted to the point of homeopathy solution sort that?

Edited December 21, 2020 by welshbairn

[Pocketman]

we need a positive alternative to those miserable Labour hating feckers - what about the Swiss? Or The Vorlons from Babylon 5? 

 

[NotThePars]

Nothing like calling at least 45% of the populace "separatists" like you're Chancellor Palpatine to win them back onside

[Pocketman]

7 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Nothing like calling at least 45% of the populace "separatists" like you're Chancellor Palpatine to win them back onside

THEN: 2014 "lDON'T GO"                                                                                          NOW: FECK YOU SCOTLAND. YOU VOTED "NO". EAT YER  CEREAL

Edited December 21, 2020 by KingRocketman II

[Pocketman]

2 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

Needs a bit of polish

 

[Guest Jedi]

1. They have stupid unionists voting for them despite the fact Scotland is going to shit.

2. They think brexit is a good thing for the UK and bring stupid unionists to think the same and

3. They love austerity.

 

1.  Sure is with the highest drugs death rate in Europe, a third of children living in poverty, hospital waiting times not having been met for 7 years, the 3 highest Covid rates in Europe proportionately, a widening educational gap, with PISA league tables not looking good in that one, the largest teachers union having to take out grievances against councils over working conditions, council budgets cut by 7% over the last 7 years, despite only a 2% cut to SG funding,mental health waiting times significantly missed,millions of public money squandered on BiFab,.a First Minister who can't remember if she attended certain meeting about Alex Salmond or not.....still prescriptions are 'free'

2. The same Labour party which was consistently accused by the right wing press of trying to derail Brexit for months, leading to the 'Get Brexit Done' election.

3. Andrew Wilson and his 10 year cutting of public services and funding, and 'prepare to be worse off for the first decade after Independence? sounds like austerity to me. Also Labour are normally accused of mad spending sprees on public services, not sure how that fits an austerity model.