Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Merrily telling you? Ffs man its a fucking tragedy this is happening but its pretty clear your ‘lock the b*****ds up’ approach which is all we’ve ever had isn’t working. I'd respectfully suggest your "let the b*****ds free to prey on society" approach isn't working. Any words on the victims yet? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, The Moonster said: Does "writing off" mean sending all junkies to prison for the rest of their days or simply just letting them die? Whichever you prefer. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: It'll prevent them from having further victims. That's for society to decide. But I'd suggest junkies who commit crimes to fund their habit should be included. Others will disagree. Sure. But people over the age of criminal responsibility need to be held accountable for their actions. The onus should be on them to make the correct choices in their lives. Untreated psychological illness doesn't usually get better with age. If it is sustained as a child, it is usually suppressed until it manifests in a shitstorm of self destruction and/or offending behaviour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 It’ll prevent them having further victims.So, in the same way as helping them out of a life of drug addiction would, only without the added potential benefits of that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Sergeant Wilson said: Untreated psychological illness doesn't usually get better with age. If it is sustained as a child, it is usually suppressed until it manifests in a shitstorm of self destruction and/or offending behaviour. Sure. But that doesn't take away individual responsibility. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I'd respectfully suggest your "let the b*****ds free to prey on society" approach isn't working. Any words on the victims yet?Mate I literally spend most of my day helping victims of crime. The best assistance we can give them is cutting the volume of crime. I dont want people free to prey on society, I want drug misuse to be seen as a public health emergency and stamped out. Have you any idea how much it costs to keep someone locked up? Or to treat chronic addiction and associated health impacts like HIV/HepC? If we stop the drug misuse we stop everything. Locking up people with an illness doesnt help anyone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, oneteaminglasgow said: So, in the same way as helping them out of a life of drug addiction would, only without the added potential benefits of that? It would be better if they'd never become junkies. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Whichever you prefer. I'd prefer neither. Which would you prefer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 It would be better if they'd never become junkies.Which is absolutely fucking irrelevant when talking about how society should deal with people who currently are drug addicts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Mate I literally spend most of my day helping victims of crime. The best assistance we can give them is cutting the volume of crime. I dont want people free to prey on society, I want drug misuse to be seen as a public health emergency and stamped out. Have you any idea how much it costs to keep someone locked up? Or to treat chronic addiction and associated health impacts like HIV/HepC? If we stop the drug misuse we stop everything. Locking up people with an illness doesnt help anyone. The best way of cutting junkie crime is preventing people from becoming junkies. If that fails then we need to remove them from society. Just now, The Moonster said: I'd prefer neither. Which would you prefer? I'm easy. Either is fine. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: I'm easy. Either is fine. Let's say it was your kid, would you leave them to die? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Which is absolutely fucking irrelevant when talking about how society should deal with people who currently are drug addicts. No, it's absolutely fucking relevant when we're talking about dealing with future potential junkies. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, The Moonster said: Let's say it was your kid, would you leave them to die? It's their life and their choices. At some point they have to be responsible. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: The best way of cutting junkie crime is preventing people from becoming junkies. If that fails then we need to remove them from society. I'm easy. Either is fine. Jail is more expensive so would have to left to die. Although, if someone is dying in the street and some do gooder calls an ambulance what then? Drug test in A&E and toss them in the incinerator if it's positive? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: It's their life and their choices. At some point they have to be responsible. Is that a yes then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Dons_1988 said: Jail is more expensive so would have to left to die. Although, if someone is dying in the street and some do gooder calls an ambulance what then? Drug test in A&E and toss them in the incinerator if it's positive? A bit extreme for me. But if that's what floats your boat. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, The Moonster said: Is that a yes then? It's not my responsibility. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: A bit extreme for me. But if that's what floats your boat. But if we're leaving them to die we can't treat them surely? That comes straight out of my pocket. Maybe drug test at the scene by the paramedics and just leave them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: It's not my responsibility. Thanks for the politicians masterclass in how to avoid answering a straight question with a straight answer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said: But if we're leaving them to die we can't treat them surely? That comes straight out of my pocket. Maybe drug test at the scene by the paramedics and just leave them. Would you bill them for the cost of the ambulance? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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