Dons_1988 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: The best way of cutting junkie crime is preventing people from becoming junkies. If that fails then we need to remove them from society. I'm easy. Either is fine. Jail is more expensive so would have to left to die. Although, if someone is dying in the street and some do gooder calls an ambulance what then? Drug test in A&E and toss them in the incinerator if it's positive? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: It's their life and their choices. At some point they have to be responsible. Is that a yes then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Dons_1988 said: Jail is more expensive so would have to left to die. Although, if someone is dying in the street and some do gooder calls an ambulance what then? Drug test in A&E and toss them in the incinerator if it's positive? A bit extreme for me. But if that's what floats your boat. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, The Moonster said: Is that a yes then? It's not my responsibility. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: A bit extreme for me. But if that's what floats your boat. But if we're leaving them to die we can't treat them surely? That comes straight out of my pocket. Maybe drug test at the scene by the paramedics and just leave them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: It's not my responsibility. Thanks for the politicians masterclass in how to avoid answering a straight question with a straight answer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said: But if we're leaving them to die we can't treat them surely? That comes straight out of my pocket. Maybe drug test at the scene by the paramedics and just leave them. Would you bill them for the cost of the ambulance? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Would you bill them for the cost of the ambulance? Probably bill the do gooder who phoned up. Can't you see it's a worthless junkie, £100 please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, The Moonster said: Thanks for the politicians masterclass in how to avoid answering a straight question with a straight answer. It would be pretty hypocritical of me to demand one policy for the commonality and one for my family. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I think if tibbermoresaint made any sort of effort to actually understand the things he they talk about, they wouldn't post so much. I'd love to live in a world where you could simply stop people being addicts. Then again... I'd also love to f**k Beyonce. I'm a realist though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: It would be pretty hypocritical of me to demand one policy for the commonality and one for my family. It's pretty heartless of you to leave people dying on the streets, whether it's the general public or your relative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, The Moonster said: It's pretty heartless of you to leave people dying on the streets, whether it's the general public or your relative. Junkies aren't the general public. They're junkies. -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 This is absolutely wild. You forget sometimes there’s real people in the world with views like this. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 No, it's absolutely fucking relevant when we're talking about dealing with future potential junkies.Right.So your solution is to let all current drug addicts die/lock them up forever, and then magically find a way to stop there being any new ones? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, oneteaminglasgow said: Right. So your solution is to let all current drug addicts die/lock them up forever, and then magically find a way to stop there being any new ones? Do you think we shouldn't try to stop there being new ones? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Do you think we shouldn't try to stop there being new ones?I think we should try to tackle the factors which lead to people being drug addicts, but also acknowledge that it would be extremely difficult (if not impossible), and that bringing the number of drug addicts down to zero is an unachievable goal.Therefore, we, as a society, need some way to try to deal with the inevitability that some people will be drug addicts in a way that is most beneficial to society. That, to me, is trying to help that person away from drug addiction towards a mire productive future, as far as is possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: I hate to break a brutal truth to you. These support role are amongst the lowest paid and least desirable jobs in the country. Whilst some people are happy to dedicate their lives to helping others, for a lot of people this will be about the only job they can get. People need to eat. There isn't exactly an army of people wanting to struggle on minimum wage and then go to work and spend time with people who want to through their lives away. I am always surprised when I discover someone for whom this type of work is a genuine vocation II certainly couldn't do it and I don't know many who could tolerate it. I have to break a brutal truth to you. The person I posted about is nowhere near the lowest paid in the country, wage or lack of it doesn't always equate to who gives a shit, if it did then all rather than most nurses would give a shit. Edited July 18, 2019 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: I think we should try to tackle the factors which lead to people being drug addicts, but also acknowledge that it would be extremely difficult (if not impossible), and that bringing the number of drug addicts down to zero is an unachievable goal. Therefore, we, as a society, need some way to try to deal with the inevitability that some people will be drug addicts in a way that is most beneficial to society. That, to me, is trying to help that person away from drug addiction towards a mire productive future, as far as is possible. You seem to think we need to tolerate junkies in society. That's negative and defeatist because we don't. And we shouldn't. Being a junkie is a choice. We need to ensure people don't make that choice. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Do you think we shouldn't try to stop there being new ones?Go have a look at projects like street and arrow and tell me people who are drug users are beyond help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Go have a look at projects like street and arrow and tell me people who are drug users are beyond help. Would you agree that some junkies are beyond help? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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