DA Baracus Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Let's be clear, this is about crowdwanking and trying to use the size of a club's support to 'get one over' opposition fans, as well as the seeming obsession some folk on here have over the issue. At times it seems like a wind up, but other times it seems like it's quite serious indeed. I'm all for the signing of 'what a shitty home support' at games, but on here folk go mental over attendances. Also folk in the media seem to be obsessed about it, especially the fannies on Sportsound, and especially Willie Miller who thinks league membership should be decided on crowd size alone. So why do you (and you know who you are) care so much about crowd sizes? Why do you give a shit what Hamilton get? Why do you care that one season your club had a couple hundred more on the average attendance than another club? Why do you do research to try and prove that historically your club had more fans going to games than another club? Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 I don't really get it either, do people brag about how many people were in the cinema watching the same film as them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Let's be clear, this is about crowdwanking and trying to use the size of a club's support to 'get one over' opposition fans, as well as the seeming obsession some folk on here have over the issue. At times it seems like a wind up, but other times it seems like it's quite serious indeed. I'm all for the signing of 'what a shitty home support' at games, but on here folk go mental over attendances. Also folk in the media seem to be obsessed about it, especially the fannies on Sportsound, and especially Willie Miller who thinks league membership should be decided on crowd size alone. So why do you (and you know who you are) care so much about crowd sizes? Why do you give a shit what Hamilton get? Why do you care that one season your club had a couple hundred more on the average attendance than another club? Why do you do research to try and prove that historically your club had more fans going to games than another club? Etc. I totally agree. In an era when winning things is usually limited to a select few clubs it's become the next best thing for clubs in the 'who's club is bigger' argument. It is worrying how seriously some take it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Let's be clear, this is about crowdwanking and trying to use the size of a club's support to 'get one over' opposition fans, as well as the seeming obsession some folk on here have over the issue. At times it seems like a wind up, but other times it seems like it's quite serious indeed. I'm all for the signing of 'what a shitty home support' at games, but on here folk go mental over attendances. Also folk in the media seem to be obsessed about it, especially the fannies on Sportsound, and especially Willie Miller who thinks league membership should be decided on crowd size alone. So why do you (and you know who you are) care so much about crowd sizes? Why do you give a shit what Hamilton get? Why do you care that one season your club had a couple hundred more on the average attendance than another club? Why do you do research to try and prove that historically your club had more fans going to games than another club? Etc. Get back to your diddy club in the diddy league forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Not surprised to see three supporters of clubs with tiny fanbases in on this. Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Because the hearts r pure brilliant m8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Decent crowd number can actually show clubs in a bad light. Falkirk are the best example we have in this country. 4000 odd there every home game, crowds clubs like ICT, County, Hamilton, Livi etc can only dream of. Yet they're always the bridesmaid. Stuck in the 2nd tier whilst clubs with far smaller fan bases wave to them on the way past. Clearly the club isn't being run as well as it could be. With poor management and player recruitment being miles off season after season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Crowds are a fair indicator of income and consequently, commercial potential. If clubs with small supports overcome this and play at a high level it presents the question, where is the money coming from to maintain this? It can't all be attributable to "good management". Clubs and supporters with bigger crowds being run legitimately get annoyed with this conundrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Blue Bigots from Ibrox died, despite having millions of fans worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 I can see the logic of thinking that it'll be best for Scottish football for the city clubs to all be doing well and at the top the table, as noted they have the best chance of succeeding in Europe and of producing players for the Scottish national team etc. However, I think that logic is overplayed, especially by the likes of Willie Miller. One reason for the constant crowd wanking and snootiness about the likes of Hamilton is that a lot of pundits have a view that a misty-eyed view of Scottish football and a club with a plastic pitch and a few thousand fans don't fit into that. You look at the way other leagues react to smaller clubs making a successful run in the top league and it's completely different, it's celebrated (Bournemouth in England, Hoffenheim in Germany, Chievo in Italy for example - not exact paralllels of course). Also, a lot of people seem to think that having clubs with small supports in the top flight somehow denigrates Scottish football, makes us a "laughing stock" and means there's no interest in our league. The unspoken thing here is that these people are talking about English fans and media and I can say without fear of contradiction that no-one in the English game gives a f**k about whether Hamilton Accies have 100 fans or 100,000. It's an inferiority complex talking. Fans crowdwank because they think it makes their club look bigger than others, that's pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 It's good for a wind-up, but generally, matches just feel like a better occasion when there's a good attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 professional sport MUST have a paying audience or it can't continue as such, a general indicator if things are going up or down is the same way any business tracks itself . also the crowd ( and away fans for that matter) are part of the experience of a football match as a spectator. as for the pissing contest that's just pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 57 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: If clubs with small supports overcome this and play at a high level it presents the question, where is the money coming from to maintain this? In the case of Hamilton and Livingston, its laundered drug money Spoiler Er, only kidding guys - dinnae send big malky roond tae kneecap me, eh no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 This is going to end well . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Because it makes me feel like a big man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Away games with fewer than 100 folk are miles better than away games with a (relatively) decent number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, accies1874 said: Away games with fewer than 100 folk are miles better than away games with a (relatively) decent number. Dont know why, but that put me in mind of good old Terry Butchers classic "losing an early goal takes away the fear of losing an early goal" as he took us toward that playoff with you boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicMike Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 It's interesting to see the effect of performances on attendances and to get a sense of the mood at the club among the fans by seeing attendances rise and fall. Crowd wanking is a waste of time though, everyone comes out of that looking bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Bridge Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 It must be embarrassing to be the third biggest support in your own one club town. Thank f**k I'm not from the west of Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 31 minutes ago, accies1874 said: Away games with fewer than 100 folk are miles better than away games with a (relatively) decent number. Can see where you're coming from but give me 800/900 in that corner at Ibrox than say 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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