10menwent2mow Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 I agree 100% with this. We just need to make sure we don’t “crash the car” getting to that point. The longer it goes on for though, the more you feel they will continue to shift the goalposts. I really can't see, even if cases are at a similar level to what they were a couple of weeks back, the govt just going from lockdown (let's not call it tier 4, because its essentially lockdown) to tiers 1 and 2. Having the vaccination, I can see the govt saying that cases need to be even lower than they were a couple of weeks back to justify tiers 1 and 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Got a link? I've read through a few different publications of theirs on the subjects over different time periods. Be nice to see which assumptions they were modelling for.I’m sure this question was asked last night during the same discussion. The facts weren’t forthcoming then, so I can’t see why they would be now. All you need to know is School = 0.4. Apparently from SAGE, but no nuance, no backup, no assumptions. Take your telling from the big man! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Detournement said: Can anyone see these Sage documents that only seemed to become public knowledge right after Christmas got cancelled in the SE? The SAGE analysis was published months ago and is already in this thread, I'm not rummaging around to bump the post for the 17th time tbqhwy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 The uk is now changing the game in a way resembling Barcelona under guardiola , if they keep up at this pace they’ll be simply unplayable.Ok it’s not funny anymore Going by today’s cases iy looks like they really have lost control again and if a lockdown is necessary again then this isn’t the time to be doing half a job, last time round a proper lockdown with schools shut made cases drop like a stone. England opened up to quick and the travel corridors were quite ineffective. This time get it suppressed properly and make sure that there is a proper quarantine for international arrivals, in a hotel with security on the door. Right now 90% of us would take normality at home with no foreign travel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Clownshoes has got a new advert 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 That article mentions estates and med records staff. If they're working in the "red zones" or whatever that hospital is calling their covid area then I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be eligible for the vaccine on the same basis as the nursing staff working in the same environment tbh. My cousin works in medical records and can be in and out of lots of wards on the same day, same goes for the maintenance staff who would be classed as estates. Fair enough that they get a jab, different matter for management who don't leave the office though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 4 hours ago, coprolite said: I'd imagine some fast track management trainee just emailed a spreadsheet round telling people to book their own slot. People sitting at their desks would be able to book straightaway, whereas clinical and care staff might have had to finish inserting tubes and the like first. I don't think people appreciate quite how important estates management is to the current crisis. You'd all be complaining if all the lighbulbs went and weren't replaced. Oh aye, HR, Facilities, Corporate Support, Secretariat, Executive Office etc whatever they are called in any organisation are the backbone and the beating heart of that institution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: Yes exactly. If the stories people have said on this thread about senior managers getting vaccinated ahead of frontline clinical/estates/domestic/med records etc staff are true, that's not on. No health board is that poorly run though. No idea why you are so adamant about this, but fair enough, choose to believe that if you want. It’s a fact that non-patient facing administration staff booked vaccines before nurses and doctors in my local health board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: Yes exactly. If the stories people have said on this thread about senior managers getting vaccinated ahead of frontline clinical/estates/domestic/med records etc staff are true, that's not on. No health board is that poorly run though. Like I said, in the hospital I'm talking about, it was just a booking system, literally like getting Glastonbury tickets etc. Intranet only though, slots released in batches - only those on PCs at that exact moment were able to snag a slot by refreshing the page. No cross reference of staff member and role. Honest guv I'm not lying / scaremongering. Please believe me maaaan Edited December 22, 2020 by madwullie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: Yes exactly. If the stories people have said on this thread about senior managers getting vaccinated ahead of frontline clinical/estates/domestic/med records etc staff are true, that's not on. No health board is that poorly run though. I mean wishaw general was all over the papers just yesterday because they've not been bothering to clean to the required standard since the pandemic began ffs Edited December 22, 2020 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, madwullie said: Like I said, in the hospital I'm talking about, it was just a booking system, literally like getting Glastonbury tickets etc. Intranet only though, tickets released in batches - only those on PCs at that exact moment were able to snag a ticket by refreshing the page. No cross reference of staff member and role. I don't understand that, just send out the appointments in order of risk priority and deal with complaints or schedule conflicts later. Otherwise you just store up a shitstorm for later. There will obviously be mistakes just banding people in categories but you can sort that out later. P.S. Too many "later"s. ed.. Edited December 22, 2020 by welshbairn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I don't understand that, just send out the appointments in order of risk priority and deal with complaints or schedule conflicts later. Otherwise you just store up a shitstorm for later. There will obviously be mistakes just banding people in categories but you can sort that out later. P.S. Too many "later"s. ed.. Dont disagree with a word of that. I suppose the only issue is with allied staff who occasionally have to go in wards. But it's hardly brain surgery to work out active nurses, doctors, facilities staff should all he done first 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: If the best you can do to back this up is that Record article then yes I will continue to disbelieve you. Really easy way for you to find out, do a very quick FOI request... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Clownshoes has got a new advertWhat happened to “be kind”? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 FOI request - ICTChris to Div. Sir. Please provide me with all the details of all posters who has red dotted me. This is for important research I am doing and not, I repeat NOT, for the purposes of angry revenge. Kind Regards -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: If the best you can do to back this up is that Record article then yes I will continue to disbelieve you. Fair enough, can’t give any evidence without revealing personal information. Unsure why you think anyone would make it up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, ICTChris said: FOI request - ICTChris to Div. Sir. Please provide me with all the details of all posters who has red dotted me. This is for important research I am doing and not, I repeat NOT, for the purposes of angry revenge. Kind Regards This has to be a wind up surely? Who gives a damn. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Oh aye, HR, Facilities, Corporate Support, Secretariat, Executive Office etc whatever they are called in any organisation are the backbone and the beating heart of that institution. ^^ HR, Facilities, Corporate Support, Secretariat, Executive Office lackie imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: I'm not the one making the claim so I wouldn't see it as my place to provide the evidence. That would be a laugh though - I wonder if any debate on here has got to the FOI stage before. Edit: I suppose you do see the odd one on the government website where people are asking for all correspondence with either one of the old firm or something - it's not out of the realms of possibility! Edit again: my favourite FOI trivia is that it's apparently one of the only things Tony Blair and his inner circle regret about their time in office. Of all the things. Wouldn't surprise me if somebody saying in the canteen "I bet the managers and office staff will get vaccinated first" quickly got recycled to FACT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: I'm not the one making the claim so I wouldn't see it as my place to provide the evidence. That would be a laugh though - I wonder if any debate on here has got to the FOI stage before. Edit: I suppose you do see the odd one on the government website where people are asking for all correspondence with either one of the old firm or something - it's not out of the realms of possibility! Edit again: my favourite FOI trivia is that it's apparently one of the only things Tony Blair and his inner circle regret about their time in office. Of all the things. I dont really think that you would, but theres always the WTM types who probably would do something like that, so given this is the crazy world of P&B im absolutely happy to risk my already shite reputation. I’d post a screenshot of the email where GGC acknowledged the issue but im not sure where that stands legally and could prove difficult for the relative who showed me it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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