Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Billy Jean King]

 

Take it you didn't see the actual interview ? He then went on to explain that he thought behaviour in the UK had changed to an extent where he expected Masks and SD to become almost the norm amongst a fair chunk of the population without the need for compulsion. The Dan guy doing the interview actually tried to take him to task on that statement but he then went down the I'm not a behavioural scientist" route ! He most definitely did not bat away the notion so not sure how that's been spun.

[Left Back]

18 minutes ago, Elixir said:

No need for an apology.

I like to act the goat and play up to the Pie & Bovril pantomime, but at the end of the day, like the vast majority of normal folk on here, I just want this whole sorry saga wrapped up so we can get on with our lives.

And maybe then I can actually start to get bothered about how tragic Hearts have become...

You'd best pray this goes on for a good while yet then.  You'll be a mess.

[super_carson]

I wouldn't be critical of anyone who chose to continue with masks or social distancing as that's their own choice - if it doesn't affect me then I don't care what other people chose to do.  Live and let live and all that.  

But, as many have said, if these restrictions were to be enforced by law for a significant period of time then that is a significantly different issues.  Governments would then be putting legal limitations on social interactions, which is ethically sketchy at best, as well as potentially consigning quite a significant number of industries to the scrap heap and thousands to the dole-queue.  

Personally, I think a lot of the restrictions will remain in place but more as advice and learned behaviours more than anything else.  It shouldn't stop those that want to go to football or pubs from doing so, but if there are people who aren't comfortable with it then they need to accept that it's their choice.  You might, perhaps, see certain places try to offer COVID friendly areas or evenings in the same way I've seen shops and cinemas offer ASD-friendly times, but that should be down to the individual business.  There has to be a move towards personal responsibility as we come through this.  

Edited March 24, 2021 by super_carson

[Gaz]

If folk want to wear masks and socially distance once all this is over that's fine.

I'm hoping that if the past year has taught us anything it's that folk who 'bravely' come into the office with a bad 'flu are chucked in the sea.

[Elixir]

2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

23 minutes ago, Elixir said:

 

Take it you didn't see the actual interview ? He then went on to explain that he thought behaviour in the UK had changed to an extent where he expected Masks and SD to become almost the norm amongst a fair chunk of the population without the need for compulsion. The Dan guy doing the interview actually tried to take him to task on that statement but he then went down the I'm not a behavioural scientist" route ! He most definitely did not bat away the notion so not sure how that's been spun.

I did watch it. I think he's right because there simply will be moon howlers who change their behaviour, but then, I wouldn't socialise with such oddballs before and won't after, so it's largely inconsequential. Once it's taken out of law, who cares. It will be a good way of weeding out Life's Losers.

[Left Back]

My 50 year old wife got her blue envelope today to get jagged next Wednesday.  I know they won't be doing them in strict age order but I'm taking it as a positive.

She better not get Pfizer.

Edited March 24, 2021 by Left Back

[ICTChris]

I will continue wearing a balaclava everywhere as I always have and always will.

[Elixir]

The Lib Dems actually making themselves useful.

[ayrmad]

4 minutes ago, Gaz said:

If folk want to wear masks and socially distance once all this is over that's fine.

I'm hoping that if the past year has taught us anything it's that folk who 'bravely' come into the office with a bad 'flu are chucked in the sea.

Or more likely a bad cold. 

[super_carson]

1 minute ago, Gaz said:

I'm hoping that if the past year has taught us anything it's that folk who 'bravely' come into the office with a bad 'flu are chucked in the sea.

That's one thing that really would be a welcome change out of all of this.  We have a perverse fascination in this country with working ridiculously long hours and continuing to work while ill as a badge of honour, as if it somehow makes you a better employee.  I know there will be some who work when ill because SSP is a joke and they have no other option, but there has to be a fundamental change in attitude towards sickness.  Of course, that will probably be exploited by some of the more work-shy in the population but I find our obsession with how many hours we spend in an office quite bizarre.  

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

I'm very guilty of going into the office when I've been unwell. I won't be doing that again.

[Gaz]

3 minutes ago, super_carson said:

That's one thing that really would be a welcome change out of all of this.  We have a perverse fascination in this country with working ridiculously long hours and continuing to work while ill as a badge of honour, as if it somehow makes you a better employee.  I know there will be some who work when ill because SSP is a joke and they have no other option, but there has to be a fundamental change in attitude towards sickness.  Of course, that will probably be exploited by some of the more work-shy in the population but I find our obsession with how many hours we spend in an office quite bizarre.  

That's a fair point. For some, they can't afford to stay off.

[Billy Jean King]

I did watch it. I think he's right because there simply will be moon howlers who change their behaviour, but then, I wouldn't socialise with such oddballs before and won't after, so it's largely inconsequential. Once it's taken out of law, who cares. It will be a good way of weeding out Life's Losers.

Pretty much most folks take but the article you posted claimed Ferguson had "batted away" the notion. I never took that from his actual words nor did the interviewer who tried to pin him down when he started down the behaviour change route only for Ferguson to then play dumb with his "I'm not a behavioural scientist " line.

[ayrmad]

Hopefully the workshy will only take days off when they really need them. 

[GiGi]

8 minutes ago, super_carson said:

That's one thing that really would be a welcome change out of all of this.  We have a perverse fascination in this country with working ridiculously long hours and continuing to work while ill as a badge of honour, as if it somehow makes you a better employee.  I know there will be some who work when ill because SSP is a joke and they have no other option, but there has to be a fundamental change in attitude towards sickness.  Of course, that will probably be exploited by some of the more work-shy in the population but I find our obsession with how many hours we spend in an office quite bizarre.  

I've mentioned the point on this thread recently but it's worth saying again that for office workers, who've now been working from home for a while, there's no need to have to go into the office while even mildly ill again. I've been able to work from home since before the pandemic and had done so a few times, but only when pre-agreed with my boss.

I've since moved jobs this year but in the last one there was a day when I was loaded with a head cold and called my boss in the morning to say I was still fit to work but could I do it from home. They said if I wasn't fit enough to come into the office then I'd need to take a sick day and that was that. Sick leave was limited to 4 occasions in an 18 month period before disciplinary proceedings (unless there were exceptional circumstances etc) so naturally I was like, right f**k it I'll just go to work and infect my colleagues then.

My new job have already confirmed there is no planned return to full time office work anyway but even then I can't see any excuse for employers refusing the above request. Being able to work from home with a mild illness is preferable to both absence and spreading it in the office.

[jimbaxters]

6 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

Hopefully the workshy will only take days off when they really need them. 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

29 minutes ago, Left Back said:

My 50 year old wife got her blue envelope today to get jagged next Wednesday.  I know they won't be doing them in strict age order but I'm taking it as a positive.

She better not get Pfizer.

Which NHS board are you, if you don't mind me asking ?

I'm 57 and I've heard nothing....

 

[jimbaxters]

10 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Which NHS board are you, if you don't mind me asking ?

I'm 57 and I've heard nothing....

 

Have you changed address recently maybe? Know someone who this happened to and they didn't think of checking until recently. When they called they got told their original appointment had been Feb 24th.

Edited March 24, 2021 by jimbaxters

[gav-ffc]

1 hour ago, Jan Vojáček said:

- 3 new reported deaths of people who tested positive  

- 692 new cases reported (3.1% of tests)

- 321 people in hospital (-20)

- 31 people are in ICU (+3)

As mentioned above, that's a real drop in the number of deaths for a Wednesday. Shame to see the ICU number rise a little, but it remains low, and good to see hospital numbers continuing to show a solid drop. 

I know "we just can't be sure" if vaccines are working, but they quite clearly are.

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* Please note that there are 57 historic cases from 15 February to 4 March 2021 that have been sent from the NHS Lothian laboratory today and are included in today’s count.

 

 

[Elixir]

35 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Pretty much most folks take but the article you posted claimed Ferguson had "batted away" the notion. I never took that from his actual words nor did the interviewer who tried to pin him down when he started down the behaviour change route only for Ferguson to then play dumb with his "I'm not a behavioural scientist " line.

It was actually refreshing to see a scientist pushed for further explanation by a journalist/presenter for a change. It should be happening all the time, not least around some of the stuff which has been raised on here recently.