welshbairn Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Why are you wearing gloves in the house? Disposable gloves are designed to protect you from undesirables, not others from yours. Washing your hands properly is more hygienic than wearing gloves. It's why food handlers here are not required to wear them. How are you going to wash your hands before going in the house of a vulnerable person? Gloves make the whole thing simpler, and safer for both parties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Steven W said: Absolutely. Leading from the front is not agenda. It's probably why they don't push harder for independence or at least a referendum. So long as we remain in the union they can highlight how shit WM treats us, and what they would do better if only they were allowed to do so. Right now they have an opportunity to have complete control that they would not have been expecting, and it has become quite apparant that when it comes to taking the lead and making the big decisions, they don't have it in them. A shame really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: How are you going to wash your hands before going in the house of a vulnerable person? Gloves make the whole thing simpler, and safer for both parties. Who mentioned a vulnerable person? My parents are not vulnerable. Me nipping in to their toilet for a pish does not need disposable gloves to be safe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Who mentioned a vulnerable person? My parents are not vulnerable. Me nipping in to their toilet for a pish does not need disposable gloves to be safe. I assumed @madwullie was, otherwise he wouldn't be worried about his kid using the toilet. And he's shielded himself so a bit of mutual protection. Edited June 11, 2020 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: It's probably why they don't push harder for independence or at least a referendum. So long as we remain in the union they can highlight how shit WM treats us, and what they would do better if only they were allowed to do so. Right now they have an opportunity to have complete control that they would not have been expecting, and it has become quite apparant that when it comes to taking the lead and making the big decisions, they don't have it in them. A shame really. That only holds if you believe that the only metric that they can be judged against is speed out of lockdown. Scot Gov is taking a cautious approach to removing lockdown which reflects the temperament of its leadership, but I doubt it can be viewed as baulking big decisions if they are truly of the opinion that a slower route out is overall safer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I assumed @madwullie was, otherwise he wouldn't be worried about his kid using the toilet. And he's shielded himself so a bit of mutual protection. Yeah plus my dad is 78 and as far as I'm concerned should be shielding due to medical stuff, but he didn't get a letter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Detournement said: By August there will be so little Covid that schools will just open as usual. By August it will be a pisstake if things aren’t open as usual (presuming covid numbers are as they are now or lower). There’s a real possibility there will be no deaths for days/weeks by then yet kids have only to go to school two days a week? Absolute madness that people would accept things like standing outside in the pissing rain to get into a shop, or still following arrows once you’re inside, oh and the 2 metre rule -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SJP79 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: By August it will be a pisstake if things aren’t open as usual (presuming covid numbers are as they are now or lower). There’s a real possibility there will be no deaths for days/weeks by then yet kids have only to go to school two days a week? Absolute madness that people would accept things like standing outside in the pissing rain to get into a shop, or still following arrows once you’re inside, oh and the 2 metre rule But the deaths and cases are low because of the lockdown, you need to be very careful of becoming complacent and seeing a surge in cases again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Just now, SJP79 said: But the deaths and cases are low because of the lockdown, you need to be very careful of becoming complacent and seeing a surge in cases again. Of course, but of the countries that have been out of lockdown for weeks now I don’t recall any having the mythical “second wave” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, renton said: I doubt it can be viewed as baulking big decisions if they are truly of the opinion that a slower route out is overall safer. It can if it needlessly costs jobs and businesses. Measures can be eased with minimal risk. We've seen it across europe and, to and extent, England on much bigger numbers than we have here. Despite saying they are doing what is best for Scotland, it is undoubtably a political decision to stay behind England every step of the way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SJP79 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Thereisalight.. said: Of course, but of the countries that have been out of lockdown for weeks now I don’t recall any having the mythical “second wave” Some are doing well yes but they are also being very careful in thier approach. In India some cities are seeing huge numbers again and hospitals are being overwelmed, and there could be a lot of cases coming in the USA after the protests and riots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SJP79 said: Some are doing well yes but they are also being very careful in thier approach. In terms of Europe all are doing well. Our numbers are akin to the likes of Finland, Norway and Denmark. Our restrictions should be starting to reflect this. Edited June 11, 2020 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) I’ve certainly noticed a change in tone from the media in the last week or so. Tonight on BBC Scotland news they were talking about how the social distancing “distance” should be cut to 1 metres to allow businesses to get back up and running. There seems to be a bit of pressure from the media to get things moving again, whereas before last week it was all doom and gloom/scaremongering Edited June 11, 2020 by Thereisalight.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SJP79 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: In terms of Europe all are doing well. Our numbers are akin to the likes of Finland, Norway and Denmark. Our restrictions should be starting to reflect this. So what would you like to see happening with restrictions ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoapMactavish Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 3 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 20 hours ago, SoapMactavish said: The principle reason for the 2m rule is that most of the research suggests by 1.5m the vast majority (99%) of any respiratory droplets has hit the deck. The 2m thing is just extra caution. Obviously this is null and void if someone is coughing, sneezing etc but it more relates to the virus particles people are just regularly breathing out. Until we have widescale mass testing we can’t work out how many people are infected and until we can work that out then I don’t fancy being closer than 2m to strangers. I’ve had it once and I don’t fancy putting any potential immunity to the test... edit to add: again the research suggests that you would have to spend more than 15 minutes within the 2m area to increase your risk. Just brushing past someone in Asda isn’t going to give you it unless they cough in your face. We also need to have test that doesn't give out a significant amount of false negatives. Aye the test is a bit shit, 30% chance of false negatives and something like 20% of false positives. I’ve seen folk in ITU who’ve had half a dozen negative tests and yet the CT scan of their chest is textbook Covid. I know which I trust, pity we can’t just scan the entire population 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, SJP79 said: So what would you like to see happening with restrictions ? We should at least be moving to Phase 2 in its entirety by next Friday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Tynierose said: Yes isn't it remarkable. It's almost as if washing your hands is a good idea. Incidentally how much longer are we planning on killing the service industry with the 2m distancing pish when it's acceptable on the continent to have 1m distancing. No doubt there will be a change on that soon after more jobs are lost. Fucking clueless, using whatever scientific methodology suits the agenda at the time. Shambles. Who said anything about washing hands?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tynierose said: I was giving you the benefit of the doubt Was in Paisley, be glad her toilet flushed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: It can if it needlessly costs jobs and businesses. Measures can be eased with minimal risk. We've seen it across europe and, to and extent, England on much bigger numbers than we have here. Despite saying they are doing what is best for Scotland, it is undoubtably a political decision to stay behind England every step of the way. As you loosen up restrictions, the R value will inevitably jump up a bit. Go too far too fast and the R value could jump above 1, if it gets above 1 on a big enough geographical scale then we start to look at a restart of the pandemic. Take Denmark for example. When they reopened schools and nurseries R apparently jumped from 0.6 to 0.9 under their domestic measures and models. Our R value is apparently in the range of 0.6 to 0.8. If we are on the low side of that, then we have margin to burn, if we are on the high side of that, not so much. A second point is that ScotGov wants good, sustainable routine testing in its hospitals and care homes to give an extra important layer of tracking, I think that is a good trip system to have in place. The modelling has its fallacies, the testing has its limitations, but we only get one shot at this and attempting to bring a resurgent pandemic under control would either require a reset of lockdown, or simply letting it take its course, neither of which are great solutions by any metric. So I dont think ScotGov can consider the risk minimal currently. I do agree that a number of plans around restart for the hospitality industry and schools are clunky at best, unworkable at worst, but those do reflect worse case scenarios. I dont think Scot Gov is baulking decisions, I think they are being very deliberate in their decisions. I dont think this is a nakedly political decision either, otherwise they could have made far more effort to differentiate themselves at any turn they wanted. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SJP79 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: We should at least be moving to Phase 2 in its entirety by next Friday. The virus has not gone away though, its past the peak but still out there, the dangers of moving too quickly could result in more deaths. Edited June 11, 2020 by SJP79 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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