DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 If any other group of employees was doing so little work then they'd have their wages cut accordingly. As state employees the onus is on teachers to make up for those lost hours before the next exam cycle so that thousands of young adults aren't tossed into the scrapheap. And any hours required above that to get them up to standard should incur additional overtime pay. There's no credible argument against this whatsoever.Doing little or no work? You really don't have a fucking clue. Are you genuinely saying that myself and other colleagues are doing, little or no work? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 From July Australian states can allow crowds of up to 10,000 at sporting venues. This is based 25% of 40,000 max capacity. What happens for larger venues like Adelaide Oval, MCG, Suncorp, SCG, Perth Stadium yet to be determined. Limits for bars, restaurants and lot of other things will also increase but still basis 1 person per 4 sq mtr. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SJP79 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said: Where is your evidence for this? It's just become taken as fact that extended lockdowns are effective, when there is very little evidence of this and plenty which contradicts it. In terms of deaths per million of population Sweden, with no lockdown, have less deaths than UK, Spain and Italy. They are pretty level with Scotland, as of 2 days ago Sweden were 468 per million and we were 443. How does this back up the idea that lockdown is holding back cases? Sweden's curve has followed pretty much the same pattern as every other country who had lockdowns. Also, virtually no country who has released lockdown have seen any significant rise in cases (arguably Iran but apparently that is due to increase in testing). Again, if lockdown is what is suppressing cases then surely when released we would see increases across the board? That's not happening. There is also data coming out showing that some countries hit their peak and decline in cases before lockdown even happened - Norway being the most recent to say this. Yet again, this does not tie in with the 'cases are low because lockdown' idea. I'm not trying to say that they shouldn't have been used or that they serve no purpose. Knowing what we knew at the time I think we had no choice. If done early enough I think there is some evidence they can be effective if you then can implement a track and trace system. But the question is whether they have any purpose 10 weeks after first being implemented, and months after the virus started becoming widespread. There is this unquestioned assumption among most people that these lockdowns still in place are having some benefit despite a lack of any evidence that this is the case. This really matters, as has been said numerous times already a huge number of people are going to be affected by this lockdown in very serious ways, far more than the number of people now being affected by Covid. I've yet to see any evidence that it is still justified. The evidence is in the statistics, it worked the curve was flattened and is now decreasing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 No group gets canonised on here more than teachers. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, MixuFruit said: I flippantly posted that school kids will be fine with a break in their education and VT greenied it to illustrate how genuinely felt his recent material is. Combined with him alluding to having taught in some capacity at some point I think there's a wee bit of missing back story here to explain the animosity to the teaching profession Can school students afford a break in their education right now as a result of a pandemic? Yes, undoubtedly. Do they also need to make up for this lost teacher instruction time later on to achieve a credible set of qualifications? Yes, undoubtedly. So teachers will clearly have to work more in the future to make up for their slacking off period now. It's really not a mutually exclusive stance at all champ. Better luck next time. Edited June 12, 2020 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I think the key thing we're forgetting here is that school exams are piss easy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Doing little or no work? You really don't have a fucking clue. Are you genuinely saying that myself and other colleagues are doing, little or no work? I think you'll find that the independent and expert-led study of the Children's Commissioner blows all your self-aggrandising anecdotes out of the water in the evidence stakes. Setting a mere two hours of daily work that you don't even bother to mark is not your contracted workload. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 21 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Doing little or no work? You really don't have a fucking clue. Are you genuinely saying that myself and other colleagues are doing, little or no work? No one on earth has it harder than you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, MixuFruit said: Totally. You spend all this time on highers at school then go to uni and do the equivalent of 4 of them in each semester of 1st year. Or don't go to uni and likely learn far more employability skills in 6 months. Problem is it doesn't feel like that at the time. And because the qualifications are the only educational focus I remember at school (left 9 years ago right enough so likely different now) puts a lot of pressure on kids whose bodies are only interested in shagging 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: They'll probably just throw darts at a board to figure out grades and do wee updates on the fly to make the following bits of coursework make sense tbh Which all future employers will take into account when filing the class of 20/21's CVs in the bin like a bunch of burst bookies' slips. Teaching: the true caring profession. Edited June 12, 2020 by vikingTON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Or don't go to uni and likely learn far more employability skills in 6 months. Problem is it doesn't feel like that at the time. And because the qualifications are the only educational focus I remember at school (left 9 years ago right enough so likely different now) puts a lot of pressure on kids whose bodies are only interested in shaggingSadly a lot of jobs requires a degree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Doing little or no work? You really don't have a fucking clue. Are you genuinely saying that myself and other colleagues are doing, little or no work? Are you genuinely trying to that teachers are doing lots of work? You will then get 8 weeks of holidays in a few weeks so i dont really see how you can complain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Aufc said: Sadly a lot of jobs requires a degree Aye that's the rub isn't it. Just pointing out that it's not that difficult, albeit with the massive caveats re quality of teacher etc. The pressure put on 16 year olds to have a clear idea what they'll finish doing in 6 years time, and potentially beyond or forever, is what's actually difficult Edited June 12, 2020 by Genuine Hibs Fan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Doing little or no work? You really don't have a fucking clue. Are you genuinely saying that myself and other colleagues are doing, little or no work? Unfortunately many people seem to think that direct teaching is the only part of the job. They don't take into account planning, marking, professional learning, curriculum development, school improvement, moderation sessions etc. That is all still going on just now. Added to that many teachers are having to take on extra responsibilities. For example I've been working in hub schools, trying to create a functioning school website for parents to access information, provide IT training to less technically minded colleagues, driving around with food packages and resources for low income households and lots of other small jobs.Even if we were all skiving b*****ds (and hey, I'm not naive enough to say no one is skiving) it should be considering against the hours of unpaid overtime each week due to the workload.There are people are not teachers and who have never been professional teachers that seem to think they know everything based on arrogance and anecdotal evidence. They think the amount of time a child spends on schoolwork is the same as their teacher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Wilkos Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Which all future employers will take into account when filing the class of 20/21's CVs in the bin like a bunch of burst bookies' slips. Teaching: the true caring profession.My girlfriend is a teacher and has had her feet up since lockdown started. We live in England and obviously each school will be doing things differently, but her "return to work" until the six weeks is now one half day a week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Aye that's the tub isn't it. Just pointing out that it's not that difficult, albeit with the massive caveats re quality of teacher etc. The pressure put on 16 year olds to have a clear idea what they'll finish doing in 6 years time, and potentially beyond or forever, is baffling to meAye. I went to uni and finished at 22. Went away and got pished for 6 months and came back and did something totally different. Although i have now merged both these paths together and its been pretty successful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Aufc said: Are you genuinely trying to that teachers are doing lots of work? You will then get 8 weeks of holidays in a few weeks so i dont really see how you can complain It's strange seeing the teachers here arguing about how hard they're working. One of my pals who's a teacher said they're doing their best and are itching to get back, but that essentially they're in the middle of the longest summer holiday ever. That's the problem with anecdotal evidence 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 It's strange seeing the teachers here arguing about how hard they're working. One of my pals who's a teacher said they're doing their best and are itching to get back, but that essentially they're in the middle of the longest summer holiday ever. That's the problem with anecdotal evidenceDepends on each school, management/parental expectations and the teacher really. Its not the same, and it's more relaxed than normal term time. But the notion that we're doing bugger all is laughable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 7 hours ago, welshbairn said: What you say about Sweden doesn't explain this... No one is arguing that lockdowns, if put in place early enough, are effective. All the evidence supports that. On top of that, they appear very effective at increasing the rate at which the virus spreads to get it to down to more manageable levels. What is being highlighted is that once the levels have been sufficiently reduced, there is plenty of evidence of them not increasing again as restrictions are eased. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Still lists his highers on his CV type post I've still got winning the sack race back in primary 4 highlighted on my CV. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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