Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[bennett]

Let's wait for a few days before isolating, this is bound to be successful. 

 

 

Groups of pupils should only be sent home if there has been a positive test, rather than someone just developing symptoms, the prime minister has said.

Boris Johnson said it was important for teachers and parents to examine the Public Health England guidance about testing

[Bairnardo]

Are we heading towards a herd immunity strategy again? Genuinely wouldnt surprise me if shielding comes back and they just let it rip. Especially if the cases continue without the concomitant hospitalisations.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Is a second proper lockdown even possible without extending the furlough scheme?
Other than the obvious reasons and of course all the poor folk who were getting ill, the first lockdown was enjoyable in a way for some people, with nice weather and a chance to relax at home. Not sure many people would fancy it in October. 

They said further restrictions - that does not necessarily mean lockdown.

Turkey, for example, made face masks compulsory outdoors in public places - could see the same happening here.

They could also decide to extend the restrictions, already in place in the high infection areas, across the rest of the country.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/

 

the travel threshold of 20 cases per 100k in 7 days makes grim reading today.

The Paddies are way in excess.   i wonder if there is the political will to make FCO advise against traveling to Dublin

Anyone wanting to go anywhere with sun, and not wanting to quarantine, is basically stuck with Turkey - they've tightened restrictions there and seem to have things under control - the rate per 100,000 has been dropping slowly.

 

The only other option is Cyprus - but you need a negative Covid-19 test 72 hours before travelling - so you either have to stump up for a private test or lie and hope you get your results back in time.

 

[Donathan]

6 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

They said further restrictions - that does not necessarily mean lockdown.

Turkey, for example, made face masks compulsory outdoors in public places - could see the same happening here.

They could also decide to extend the restrictions, already in place in the high infection areas, across the rest of the country.
 

This, they won't extend furlough because they aren't going to close businesses again.

Future restrictions I think will revolve around night time curfews, a ban on indoor socialising between households and a return to shielding. The pubs and restaurants, rightly or wrongly, are here to stay.

[Donathan]

1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Anyone wanting to go anywhere with sun, and not wanting to quarantine, basically stuck with Turkey - they've tightened restrictions there and seem to have things under control - the rate per 100,000 has been dropping slowly.

The only other option is Cyprus - but you need a negative Covid-19 test 72 hours before travelling - so you either have to stump up for a private test or lie and hope you get your results back in time.

 

You can get a private test for about £130 each I'm sure. If you're willing to just absorb that into the cost of your holiday then it's a viable option.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

 
You can get a private test for about £130 each I'm sure. If you're willing to just absorb that into the cost of your holiday then it's a viable option.

Getting the result back in time is the issue - for a 72 hour result you'll pay a lot more than £130.

Bupa are doing a test for £65 but results take 3-5 days - utterly pointless to say the least.

[welshbairn]

9 minutes ago, Donathan said:

 

You can get a private test for about £130 each I'm sure. If you're willing to just absorb that into the cost of your holiday then it's a viable option.

If you need the certificate it's a bit more, £145 is the cheapest I've seen.

https://www.better2know.co.uk/shop/products/home-testing-kits/covid-19-test

Edited September 16, 2020 by welshbairn

[Detournement]

4 hours ago, yoda said:

Remember when P&B's great economic minds were warning against the furlough scheme and massive government deficit spending because of WEIMAR REPUBLIC HYPERINFLATION?  

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-16/u-k-inflation-rate-drops-to-lowest-since-2015-in-covid-shock

 

If the virus has done one positive thing it's proving MMT correct and shutting up small government Randian types forever.

[Robin.Hood]

21 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Are we heading towards a herd immunity strategy again? Genuinely wouldnt surprise me if shielding comes back and they just let it rip. Especially if the cases continue without the concomitant hospitalisations.

Better no. Plenty halloween sweets that need rid of eh.

Still waiting for our first case of covid in work. Decent going so far tbh  

[vikingTON]

The British cultural norm of trooping into work/firing their weans into school with any other illness that isn't TESTED AND VERIFIED COVID-19 is going to be the real grannykiller this autumn/winter: not pubs or raves. There was a teacher just this morning on BBC Breakfast whinging about how he had been tested but didn't have the result yet so couldn't go back into work with a negative result while still showing symptoms. He shouldn't be going back to work regardless until he is no longer spraying whatever infection he has got all over the place.

 

[Jacksgranda]

On 15/09/2020 at 17:27, Wee Willie said:

Have ye still stopped?

If ye have then well done.

I stopped cauld turkey 30th December, 2012 and I'm still smoke-free.

and that was after a 60+ years of up to 40 a day.

I think I stopped in 2012 too, 30th April.

[Jacksgranda]

On 15/09/2020 at 17:36, Snafu said:

Our UK government took steps to prevent this happening to make sure that the whole cabinet didn't all go down at the same time.

 

One up to us then...

[doulikefish]

Expect to back in lockdown in a few weeks...Boris has stated in a committee meeting today that there would be no full national lockdown again

[Jim McLean's Ghost]

9 hours ago, scottmcleanscontacts said:

Calling bullshit. Absolute crap.

Plenty of grief for the likes of Leitch, Boris, Hancock, Witty etc.
 

Show me any article where they people were asking for them to be replaced by another specific person. And Boris and Hancock don't count, they are politicians not medical experts.

It is a different criticism from being shit. It was stated in many articles that Pennington was being snubbed for an unqulaified woman.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/27/nicola-sturgeon-must-stop-playing-politics-coronavirus-crisis/

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A further threat to national cohesion is Sturgeon’s insistence on giving Catherine Calderwood,  Scotland’s Chief Medical Officer - a gynaecologist without a scientific background - parity with Sir Patrick Vallance and Dr Chris Whitty. There is now a plan for a rival advisory group to give ‘bespoke’ scientific advice for Scotland. Ironically Scotland does have a world leading epidemiologist in Professor Hugh Pennington but Pennington, who has been a vocal critic of the SNP, has not been included. He is dismissive of Sturgeon’s idea. He points out that scientists always disagree and believes that the UK needs a single scientific group that argues internally. Different science is likely to lead to different policies and further doubts undermining morale.

 

Edited September 16, 2020 by Jim McLean's Ghost

[Bonksy+HisChristianParade]

Managed to get norovirus during a coronavirus pandemic. Genuinely wish I’d got corona instead. Up there with the worst days of my life.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

They said further restrictions - that does not necessarily mean lockdown.

Turkey, for example, made face masks compulsory outdoors in public places - could see the same happening here.

They could also decide to extend the restrictions, already in place in the high infection areas, across the rest of the country.
 

Im in Turkey just now, the only people generally not wearing masks are the ones walking about with sun burn and England/Barnsley/Rangers tops on or St George Cross/Union Jack tattoos and trailing knuckles. 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

22 hours ago, renton said:

all of that is published daily.

With all respect, it may be published (somewhere) daily, but it's not reported upon.

Here's The Herald's.....pause for gasps and sighs....'live blog', with headline 'More than 500 new cases in Scotland in just two days'.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18724117.coronavirus-scotland-recap-500-new-cases-recorded-just-two-days/

I've looked through it, and while I see the numbers of new cases and deaths, I see nothing that contextualises these statistics. In fact, the headline itself...'in just two days'...is already prejudicial and designed to sensationalise the number of positive cases.

I didn't watch BBC Scotland or STV tonight, but I've no doubt at all that they've reported statistics and not context.

All of it creates the impression that this is a killer disease running out of control. No wonder half of the over 50's are scared to go out the door (also a Herald story).

[madwullie]

17 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

With all respect, it may be published (somewhere) daily, but it's not reported upon.

Here's The Herald's.....pause for gasps and sighs....'live blog', with headline 'More than 500 new cases in Scotland in just two days'.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18724117.coronavirus-scotland-recap-500-new-cases-recorded-just-two-days/

I've looked through it, and while I see the numbers of new cases and deaths, I see nothing that contextualises these statistics. In fact, the headline itself...'in just two days'...is already prejudicial and designed to sensationalise the number of positive cases.

I didn't watch BBC Scotland or STV tonight, but I've no doubt at all that they've reported statistics and not context.

All of it creates the impression that this is a killer disease running out of control. No wonder half of the over 50's are scared to go out the door (also a Herald story).

Ultimately that's the fault of the press, not the government or some shady dark them that the lockdownphobes seem to think are driving this deliberate fear mongering 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Ultimately that's the fault of the press, not the government or some shady dark them that the lockdownphobes seem to think are driving this deliberate fear mongering 

Have to agree with this - modern TV news programmes are much more tabloidy in their approach - you can see some stories are deliberately sensationalised to grab the viewers' attention - it's part of the general dumbing down of information for the goldfish public.